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| Gerome Global user (3/27/00 9:17:53 am) Reply _files/greenguy.gif){kind=small} |
Issues &
Opinions (Skill, Farming)
You don't have to be Evelyn Wood to scan this board in under a minute - it's the same old shit. As usual, I will now add my customary barrage of inflamatory remarks. I've started a new thread as the other two (three? four?) are all about getting personal rather than discussing "issues". ---------------------- Farming the Plane of Fear after its been cleared is just plain weak. "But thats the only way some people will get their plane gear!," I hear some of you cry. "THEIR plane gear? Noone has a right to it just because they play the game. Perhaps some of you don't deserve plane gear." I reply. The ability to farm as it spawns is really a game design flaw. Spawning the entire zone simultaneously, including god, after zone-population is 0 for some set time is the obvious fix. I won't hold my breath. As a result, the value and prestige of the so-called "elite" gear has been severly diminished. Some folks explored, invested a lot of their time, risked their character's existing gear, bled a LOT, and learned how to do the zones despite their difficulty. THOSE people deserve the gear. They earned it. That's why we see them getting defensive. Skill DOES matter. Well, it should, anyway. After putting in the time and effort to meet the game's challenges head on, they are rewarded exactly the same as the folks that waltz into an empty zone and farm repops. What's even more depressing is knowing that some skilless half-wit farmers are getting the exact same gear directly BECAUSE of their efforts, simply by riding on their coattails, and there is nothing they can do about it. "But all level 50's are basically of the same competence and skill, so it doesn't matter." Bullshit. All level 50 players are NOT of the same skill. I'm not just saying that as an Enchanter, which in my opinion is one of the more skill-dependent classes. I'm saying that as a person who has grouped at some point with a majority of folks from almost every major guild on our server, despite my perceived reputation as a complete prick. Not surprisingly, it really is easy to get a group almost anywhere as an Enchanter, even if you are waving a Tarsis Shriners flag. Anyway, in my tenure, I've grouped with some folks of exceptional skill, and some absolute dingbats. Both types of players have the same level chars, the same basic gear, but entirely different results. It really does boil down to how well you know the tactics that work for the group(s) you have, how much experience you have in really nasty fights (I'm not talking about ghoul lord or froglok king here), and how well you execute. To be exceptional, you need a cool head, fast fingers, and flawless team coordination. THAT is skill. You don't get this way by farming lguk and solb for exp/gear. Truthfully, stats and gear really are secondary, except in specialized fights (read: dragons, gods). Lets face it... (obligatory horn-tooting to follow) - killing every fire giant in solb in 72 minutes, - breaking Fear with 15-18 people, - doing Hate in a spot other than the "safe" southwest corner, (props to DG/Ins. for not getting testy about sharing a plane) - handling 8(!) Fear mobs at once and winning (defined as some players lived, and none of the mobs did), - killing everything in Kedge except the big kahuna with just 6 people, - doing Phenigal Atropos (I can hear some folks saying, "who?") and 4 Swirlspine Guardians with 13 people... I'm sorry, but I think I can safely say that this will NEVER happen with the vast majority of the players out there that think the game is all about safely camping their way up to level 50, farming "l33t" gear, and bitching about how everything is too hard. Yet, these are the challenges that make it worthwhile, despite Verant trying to nerf all the fun right out of the game. Even trying and failing horribly will still leave you feeling like you did something rare. I guess, in a warped way, the beauty of EQ is that it can be a game that both adventurous, skilled, adrenoline-junkie type people AND your average robot/dummy type people can derive pleasure and succeed in. It's what you make of it, plain and simple. You can step up and face the challenges it has, or you can camp/farm your way to the top.
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Synjyn
DragonFist _files/black_fire.gif){kind=small} Global user (3/27/00 9:35:48 am) Reply _files/synjynsmall.gif) |
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I have voiced my opinions on this issue under a post started by Gilg and so I'll just link to that post. pub4.ezboard.com/femarrdr...=222.topic I agree with what you are say'n Gerome *looks as if he is about to pass out from say'n that*, but as I said under the other post everyone has fun and mesures that in different ways. Someone "farm'n" a plane dosen't take away the fun you have had or make your acomplishments any lesser.
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| Gerome Global user (3/27/00 9:56:52 am) Reply |
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It doesn't diminish the fun, but it does devalue the rewards earned. It's sorta like giving every player on every team in the NFL post-season a Super Bowl ring just for being in the post-season. They were above average players, but didn't really earn the prizes.
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| Vendrix Global user (3/27/00 9:58:16 am) Reply _files/ven2ink.jpg) |
Re: Issues
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/ agrees with Gerome completely / picks up the phone and calls a psychiatrist At any rate. To answer Synjyn's not so direct question about how others pharming respawn affects my gameplane... Lets look at jsut the duration of time pharmurs spend in the planes as an example. Its been posted by many people exaclty how long they were in there. Two 16 hour shifts, 30+ hours, 40+ hours. Thats obviously not healthy, not at all. Not only that, thats hogging a zone and its being done by the people that gave us shit when we were the only ones that COULD do the zone. We acknowledged the amount of planar capable people and now we limit ourselves to 1-1 1/2 spawns to give others a chance. If the "others" are farmers, they zone in(list in hand) and set up shop for 3 days straigth. Im sure as hell not putting my name on a list to get back in POF, I shouldnt have to. Im not saying these people shouldnt be allowed in, Im meerly suggesting they put a group together and call it a raid. Then limit themselves to 1-2 spawns like everyone else should be doing. As of right now, they dont. They get in there and latch onto the zone like a Lampreye, bleeding it dry or until too many MOBs spawn that they have to leave(after all, they dont know how to deal with 5-8 MOBs rushing camp). Vendrix | |
Chukzombi
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Re: Issues
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aye gerome was on the ball about that. the game would be alot more fun and less clustered in spots if the farmers didnt linger so long for the "phat loot". 12 hours is my limit and at the end of that i log and shut the pc off. god bless you if you can stay up 40 hours tending your farm, personally i dont think you can, im sure a few of you have multi teams on the pc taking shifts. im hoping that becuase if you can spend that much RL time sitting in front of a pc . you will die soon. i think Walter Hudson was a eq gamer. Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Synjyn
DragonFist Global user (3/27/00 10:37:34 am) Reply |
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OMG I think my brain is gonna hemorage here cause I'm agree'n with Vendrix too _files/smile.gif)
I agree with the type of people you are point'n out there. Those that will go in for a week solid after someone breaks the zone, but anyone that goes into a zone right after another group has been there are be'n called famers. For example. This weekend we had planed on break'n PoF Saturday morn'n. Well we then find out MS "promised" Da'Kor they could have it when they left. LoV was ready to go, but we respected the fact that someone else was told they could go in next. Even though Da'Kor was not there and ready when we were we still showed respect and rescheduled for Sunday morn'n. Da'Kor then proceeds to bad mouth and belittle us later on for be'n farmers. We had killed a few of the spawns that were there and then loged out for a while in hopes of a more complete pop later on, but yet we still get called farmers. I believe we were there for under 10 to 14 hours total time and in no way act'n in a fashion like you describe "pharmers". We had full intention of break'n a full spawn Saturday morn'n and then hoped we would have one Sunday morn'n after we respectfully stayed out Saturday, but the fact is we didn't. So now we get to be called farmers just because we didn't have a full spawn on the day we scheduled it? Well I'm sorry but this is a game design flaw and not one of us try'n to "do it the easy way" and because of that some Da'Kor people feel the need to belittle us. IMO that is complete BS. You think that only Da'Kor and a few other people on this server enjoy a challenge? Well so does LoV. You think I would rather sit on my ass and do nothing while a Ranger pulls a single pop? Sorry but thats an insult to my skill as a Monk and a puller (no offence to you Rangers
). I would have much prefered a challenging break in, but we didn't have one. I made time to join my friends and try to get them some nice items so I did it and resent the fact that we get called "farmers" because we didn't have the option of break'n a full spawn.
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| Gilg Unregistered User (3/27/00 10:44:22 am) Reply |
Jumpin Jiminy
Cricket!!!!
I actually agree with Gerome now<shudder>. We voted last night on how to do planes and I was one of the most adamant supporters of staying more than one spawn if noone else has expressed an interest, but now I reallize it just isn't worth the trouble. I will switch my vote to a one cycle and out immediately. As a person who has now done PoF 9 times(8 full clearings except CT or minute portions of the tower) and broken in 5 times with varying degrees of difficulty, I think I can safely say the first time you break it it is a rush. After the first couple of times though, when you KNOW you can do it, I still fail to see the motivation behind doing it if it is unneccessary. Its like breaking the spawn in king room of Lguk without a monk: fun to do it once, but why do it again if you know one of them is available? So while I don't advocate going to PoF only if you have to break in, I do now back one cycle and out, and my actions will now show that(unless some strange situation occurs). Seeya ingame..... Gilg
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| Drall
Global user (3/27/00 10:57:12 am) Reply |
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Jiminy Cricket!!!!
There is only ONE way SF will do the planes ever. Full pop hardcore full break mega death fear invoking res praying mez holding tactical bloodbath. And of couse SF agrees with gerome and TTS and DA`KOR and ICECLAN. Drall's corpse number_028 Drall Daboff | |
| Gerome Global user (3/27/00 11:09:19 am) Reply |
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Jiminy Cricket!!!!
We've done it before, and we'll probably try to do it again... If you are faced with a cleaned fear, and don't want to wait for single spawns (too slow, too boring) you *can* petition for a full respawn. As I recall, Uini required that noone be in the zone before or during the repop. Not sure if she is still doing this by request, but I think so. I know she never spawns fire giants (for obvious reasons - solb as a WHOLE would need to be respawned, and that would probably upset a great deal of people) but I am pretty sure GMs are authorized to respawn an empty plane.
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SudoMuk
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Yep, gms WILL respawn planes if no one is in the zone. In fact, if asked nicely, guides will usually fetch a gm from somewhere else (if your server gm isn't on) to repop the plane. But feel free to whine about how you were *going to break* the plane but couldn't get a repop, so you were forced to farm. Or maybe its just the preferential treatment Da`kor, Ice Clan, Stormies, and Shriners get from the gms and verant that allows us to be the only guilds that can get repops. Ya, that must be it... Or better yet for you Synjyn, we should just petition verant to have it so all level 50s can say "Gimme da [phat loot]" to their guildmaster and he will instantly give them a full set of planar armor. Because some people can't play as much as other people and we want everyone to be equal in the gimp world of "Socialistic Norrath". Evil-Sudo
Edited by SudoMuk
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Gojo _files/white_ball.gif){kind=small} Global user (3/27/00 11:40:53 am) Reply |
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Yeah, I think it must be that Da`Ice has GM lackee's and guide secondaries who will pop any zone at their pleasure, and therefore be able to purposely deprive others of fun in the game. Right? Right? Anyone? _files/laugh.gif)
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Rian _files/black_greenspot.gif){kind=small} Global user (3/27/00 11:58:27 am) Reply _files/rian.jpg) |
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Sudo, there is no reason to show your ass. No one is whining about anything. No one likes being insulted in-game or out, and calling your attention to this fact is not a "whine." Gerome, the people in PoF knew about the repop option. We did petition all day for the opportunity to leave/camp out and have the zone respawned. The only responses we got were from guides who said they couldn't help us. So faced with the choice of leaving, splitting up and going to do the usual, we opted to stay in the "unique" Plane of Fear and kill repops for a little while. At one point we all did leave with the plan to come back after the zone had spawned a bit more, so that we might actually have to do a "mild" break-in or have some exciting fights. The opportunity for a full-scale break-in was not available to us, due partly to the fact that members of Da'kor stayed inside to farm repops themselves Sunday morning (which, I'm sure they would agree, is their right. This is a function of server over-crowding, not Da'Ice being piggish). We were inside for one spawn cycle, we did not hog the zone. We were not aware of anyone else who wanted to come in and exclude them. Our presence there did not in any way prevent anyone else from having fun. What is the problem? Rian Luckless | |
| Kalten Unregistered User (3/27/00 12:33:49 pm) Reply |
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Im glad we're all pretty much agreeing on the 1 spawn time period. I think if we all follow that general rule things might flow a bit easier. As to the Lords of Valor being called farmers.. Guys that is BS. If they were there with the intent of breaking pof and had planned it for awhile and left for someone else to break it, is it their fault? Especially after all this talk about farming. I really doubt they said zone is broken lets get in ther and get free shit. Maybe you think this but I know a few LoV people and they are respectful. Maybe you will only go into a zone after you have to break it drall. But if I plan a pof raid and am nice enough to let someone else go in , then petition for a repop and dont get it. Sorry, im going into pof (for 1 spawn of course =) Not gonna look for the already broken zone but if its planned previously and you do all in your power to get it respawned and you just cant.. then c'mon. I do agree people who stay for 40 hours and farm pof only after other people do the dirty work are just wrong. But it seems this problem might be worked out. As to skill being a matter.. Some enchanters kick ass yes gerome. I fought with Timn the other night and that guy has some skill. But for mass raids its organization and planning a lot aswell. Many times "skill" is trial and error. I think there are a lot of good players out there who are overlooked is all. Since they dont have awesome loot and arent in a power guild. You learn through experience. Some people are naturally better at video games aswell. But with my class (paladin), I think there are many many skilled paladins who can do the job very well. I think with some classes (ench/cler) maybe this "skill" matters a little more. But I really dont see much difference with paladins. At least with the paladins who now are in "uber" guilds who I grew up with in highkeep and unrest.. they are no better than me or most paladins out there. I think the word "skill" isnt someones god given ability to play everquest. I think skill is something you get after trial and error. If you give me 13 people off the streets, put them in kedge and they take down phini on their first try...Then those guys have some skill.
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| Padangg
Global user (3/27/00 12:40:19 pm) Reply |
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Synjyn, I was there on that sunday morning knowing well that we were gonna leave at 11est, which we did (ok, maybe 11:01). Anyways i dont think anybody was doing anyname calling to my knowledge or i just missed it. I remember dracon zoning in and seemed like everyone was ok with it. Well that night a few of us were still pulsing with adrenaline after slaying CT and decided to take a few more kills, since it was a very very bad night loot wise. So we just stayed a few more hours, mainly out of something to do. On a goodnote that i may add, other people had zoned in from time to time and we asked them to leave. If we had not stayed to the agreed time we were leaving others would of been there and basicly you would of had something worse to deal with. Pad
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| Guildon
Global user (3/27/00 1:01:35 pm) Reply |
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Anybody notice that Evil-sudo spelled Backwards is odus-live.... weird conspiracy man, conspiracy.... Guildon Goldenheart 48 Season Erollsi Marr | |
| Gerome Global user (3/27/00 1:37:06 pm) Reply |
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Bleah, this wasn't meant as a personal attack, in fact I started a new thread to avoid any insinuations that I was targeting any particular players or guilds. I had none in mind when I wrote this. Just a rant about the ISSUES, not the people. That said, Rian, I have NO idea what you're talking about. On the other hand, if some people are feeling guilty about being farming toadies, I can't help that. Like I implied in my original post, everyone can have fun however they see fit.
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| Rian Global user (3/27/00 1:46:23 pm) Reply |
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Gerome, don't feel bad, I don't know what I'm talking about most of the time either. Sorry, my post was mostly a reaction to Sudo. He posted here so I followed with a reply here. My second parargraph was a reply to you, since you made the suggestion about people faced with the problem we had in Fear yesterday get a GM to repop the zone. In context I thought you were directing that at my group, but I see now that you meant it as a general statement. Several topics/threads have gotten mixed up. So I'll shut up now.... Rian Luckless | |
Elwyn
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Synjyn, I don't think Da`Kor was referring to LoV as farmers. At least, I don't recall hearing anything like that in guildsay. If there's a post somewhere to the contrary, point me to it, I'd like to know who said it. Yourself, Dracon and Rian have always been very polite and pleasant to deal with, and I, for one really have no issues with LoV whatsoever. Well, except mebbe a particular person coming on one our raids, then posting our tactics the next day. (not like it really matters, and I know every guild has its bad seed) *shrugs* mebbe a miscommunication.
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| Maeghant
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I have to say, Elwyn, I have really enjoyed watching the evolution of your image. Don't ask me why I have gained a modest amount of pleasure watching you slowly turn golden, but I think it's pretty damn cool considering the Bard drops ain't all that great in Hate. Shows a true dedication to your class. I'm assuming that your boots are still blue, though _files/wink.gif)
Maeghant Tuskbone (The Level Meaningless Rogue)
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| Synjyn
DragonFist Global user (3/27/00 2:38:00 pm) Reply |
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Sudo, First off some advise for you.... It is best to be though an asshole than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Second, I was not whin'n about the anything, but point'n out simple facts. Many petitons were sent and only a guides answered and told us no GM was on and that they could do nothing. Also if you are try'n to insinuate that I'm a l3Wt whore you are very sadly mistaken. I hardly ever loot anything and I'm usually the first to ask to be exlcuded from any random so that others can have a better chance. Ask Ralik if I've ever argued with him about loot'n shiverback boots because I felt he should have them first. Ask Toadhammer if I didn't try to refuse to take shiverback gloves last night because I felt he was more deserving. Elwyn, Thank you for not be'n an asshole *bows* I have never had any problems with you and the few times we have spoken have been pleasent. As for who the exact person(s) bad mouthing us was I'll have to talk to Drac and some of the others to find out for sure. Only thing I know is that while headed to the PoF zone in I hear it come across guildchat that we are now be'n bad mouthed, called farmers, etc... by some Da'Kor.
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| Elwyn
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Thanks Maeghant. I actually snipped the picture to that size to use for my profile on our da`kor website (Sudo has a set size we can use, and a full body shot just didn't have the right proportions for me). Boots just didn't fit in, but yes, they're yellow too _files/happy.gif)
. I'm too lazy to update seperate pics for my profile page and my sig, so
I just make one and shrink it.Synjin, I'm reasonably sure we didn't flame LoV over anything. If someone did, it was not general da`kor opinion. After all, you would have had a full break on your hands if some of our members hadn't stayed behind to pick up a few more spawns. These people knew you'd have an easy break-in if they stayed, so I don't see how anyone could call you repop farmers when we knew full well you were coming in and re-cleared the spawn near the gate. If someone gets flamed for being a re-pop farmer, its usually either a) the people that camp for 40 hours straight after not even breaking the zone, or b) the misc group of 12 people that zone into a broken spawn (that in no way they could have cleared themselves) and farm for hours on end. Strangely enough, this group of 12 is usually 95% made up of wizards, druids, rangers, paladins, SK's and necromancers.
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| YarNorbs
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I only have a few things to say here,, I started on Emarr when the POP was 400.. Yep 400. The newest server. And I know most old timers and their twinks. What boggles me is that I see farming all over. Everywhere. Ole timers farming great items for their twinks. For what reason ?? Well. It's fun. Who wants to start a twink and start from the bottom and starve their way to the top all over again. Heck!! Well.. It's easy for these camps at 50 to get these items. Nobody breaks them anymore. Their always broken. Soon there will not be a camp that will not be broken unless the server crashes. Or an update is done. But YET !!! Here we Go.. LISTEN UP !!! There will be more planes with OMG tougher mobs and yet More items to be had.. Out of plane's too. This crazy debate over what is right and what is wrong,, Well, to me is Just silly.. Folks can do what they want to do. Taking over a broken plane is BORING!!! --YELL'S BORING!!!-- Breaking INTO the plane is a RUSH>>FUN>>EXCITING>> --boner-- Those who don't break into a plane will die of BOREDOM soon enough. It's no fun. Just No Fun.. ---Look at me in my, Um, Plane gear, -yawn--- Bigger and better things are coming our way. And the DIE-HARDS will have the last say. Enough of this crazy debate. Lets dream of Bigger and Tougher planes :-) Thats it.. Nite all.. YarNorbs FootStomper -50- Master Tailor-Retired, Baker, Yum, Yum, Dwarf Chops :-3 Erollisi Marr,, For life !!!
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Kenian
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Hehe... Kenian/Renadiel | |
| Morzinynin
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mmmmmmmm k Morzinynin Ardaanien - http://members.xoom.com/Morzinynin - "chaos is the ultimate riddle" | |
| Aadon
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Cool...imma...skilless l3wt pharmer!!....oh wait...I've never been on a plane raid....so am I a skilless l3wt pharmer anyway? Aadon Irontree 47th level Druid Erollisi
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Celdor
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I was under the general impression that most of the stuff in the planes sucked stat wise compared to the difficulty required to obtain it. Beside that, I have to agree. I want to be able to experience breaking the plane the first time I go. There is no other feeling as satisfying as moving into and area and with one good group, clearing it. The adrenaline rush is phenomenal and the followup of sitting there and killing over and over the repops is the boring part. (IE, breaking into Paw when its fully popped and fighting to the bridge area with a level 29-30 group of 4. When you are done and pull back to the alcove for the repops, that is the boring part. But knowing up to that point that one wrong move can kill some players is the rush. I wish I could provide a higher level example but im only lvl 33 _files/frown.gif)
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| Vendrix Global user (3/29/00 5:25:47 am) Reply _files/ven_buff.jpg) |
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Quote: That statement, in an indirrect way, reinforces the opinion that Gerome and many others have expressed. Planes gear is the best stuff in the game right now(Plane of Sky excluded) and is on par with the level of difficulty you encounter during a break-in. However, it is DAMN good shyte if all you have to do is move into and empty zone and kill singular MOBs as they spawn[read: farm]. No chance of a train, a Cazic Thule DT or the whole scare tower pummeling you. Just sit there and have a Ranger with tracking run around the zone grabbing anything that spawns. Vendrix | |
| Gilg Unregistered User (3/29/00 11:03:28 am) Reply |
Let me try to
make something perfectly clear......
#1 Petitioning for a repop does not succeed every time. I know for a fact we have waited hours for a guide to find a GM and sometimes it just doesn't happen. Some guides will flat out tell you there is no GM on and they can't help you. It's not our fault verant won't implement a full respawn if it is left empty for two or three hours so a full repop will be there. Monday night we attempted to break Fear with about 10 total people of the 24 who knew what they were doing. The obvious result was we died. Fine. As we began to try ressing and to get a foothold, we repeatedly would get agroed(noone off the ledge) and have 1-5 mobs pulled onto us. It ended up a failed raid that turned into CR. We(meaning UI and those people who raid with us) are not afraid to break fear(yes we've done it before), we know its not a gaurantee but we'll take the challenge. What I for one am also not afraid to do is to break in 5 hours after someone leaves instead of 14, and only face 50% of the mobs or whatever. I don't care what Da`kor or anyone says, if it is 6 PM and we want to complete the raid that night, we're sure as hell not going to wait another 9 hours just so we won't be called KEWL DOODS by you. I know quite a few of the people who have listed derogatory statements about us and used to consider quite a few of them positive aquaintences if not friends. Whatever. Think what you like I could really care less. #2 The story behind Pharmur Green(Duso, ie Sudo's name for me) . Saturday evening we go into a damn near fully repopped PoF. CT, Draco, almost all the mobs were up, but we were missing a couple of scarelings. Break in is successful and we set up with Kaane pulling( he is the best PoF puller I've seen). I notice I am the only ranger and ask Kegolan if I can invite another ranger or two since I already have a BP and I wouldn't want any to rot. So I proceed to ask 4 rangers to come in. Stamero, I believe Teran, and a couple of others I forget(maybe Tril although I doubt he would come without his guild). Yep thats me the greedy pharming ranger inviting MORE rangers in to partake in the loot. No rangers can come so we proceed with the killing with the demise of CT our primary objective. We kill for about 7 hours and take down Draco(congrat to Carathos on his new belt) and a lot of people are sleepy. So our large group(it had grown to over 30 by now) petered down to about 24 as people went to sleep but promised to come back and help with CT. Kaane had died about 15 times to DTs by now so a lot of people were voicing their hope that he would get a Soul Leech off CT, which I guess somehow someone interpreted as Kaane was to get a Soul Leech if it drops. An hour after we took down Draco I was sleepy so I went to sleep and said I'd be back in 3 hours to help finish the zone and take out CT. I come back in 3.5 hours( I wanted a shower) and CT is about to be tried, although zone still has 3 mobs in it and repop is beginning. Maybe you say we were farming repops at that point but I see it as we had to kill them to make an attempt at CT. Sorry we aren't badass enough like DK/IC to clear the whole zone in 6 hours, but we had been there a full spawn and we were so close to CT we decided to see it through. We ultimately assaulted CT with 42 people got him to about 10% ran out of tanks, and had failed. This is when I got the first tells asking if we were farming because we were still in PoF. I told numerous people we were doing CR and not killing mobs. I got thorny vined sleeves, gloves, helm, and I got my flux axe that night. All in one spawn. My previous six raids consisted of no TV dropping except legs(won by Boldaar) and the raid before that(my first) I won my breastplate. Only ONCE in all those times did I stay for more than one pop, and at the time it really did not seem like a big deal. Trillium had called me in to try and loot a flux(one decayed, lost the other to Airhedeo, congrats) and I was there till the end of that raid, then about five people wanted to stay so we invited more. My guild at the time was not plane capable alone, so most of us had been invited to raids in the middle of them so to do one without breaking in didn't give me a second thought, and I'm sure noone knew it was this holy ritual that without being done makes clearing a plane sacrilige. Just last night we merged with FoH and now maybe we will be plane capable just as a guild(although I still find it a little elitist it is becoming a neccessity to go with those you trust). I did not farm for my plane gear, I got lucky and was the only ranger there, despite asking other rangers if they wanted to come. Would I feel I didn't deserve my gear if I had came in during empty repop and then cleared the zone? No. I lost over 6 bubbles of exp, Kaane lost more than that, and many others lost comparable amounts, I'd say we earned it. We then got our corpses and left. That is the story of Pharmur Green, proud to wear my green plate and ready for more action with my new guildmates. Seeya ingame.... Gilg "Pharmur Green"
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Tubbin
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Just my opinion =) I paid my 10 bucks a month..so I think I am entitled to plane gear... **shrug** Whos to say who isn't deserving anyway? **Shrugs again** **Shrugs at himself** As long as no one's game is ruined by KSing..training or what not, I don't see any reason why anyone shouldn't get plane gear if it makes them happy just because someone has a holier than thou superiority complex.... I mean to even get to L46 (minimum for planes) its quite a feat in itself... And what makes you more special than the next guy in front of his computer playing the game too? ***Shrugs some more***
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| Kenian
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Any Joe with half a brain and 2 hands playing a right class can go kite guards and 'lists' their way to 50. It's easy, just matter whether you have the time on your hands to do it. Kenian/Renadiel | |
Onyyn
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$9.89 a month entitles you to log into Norrath. It does not entitle you to anything else. Not level 2, not level 50, not newbie gear, not planar gear, not anything. You purchase access, plain and simple. ---- | |
Eltherion
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your right that 9.89 doesnt entitle me to having plane gear, and it doesnt entitle anyone else from saying i shouldnt have it , I dont go to the planes i am not high enough yet, But the simple attitude and name calling and such all comes down to i pay the same amount as you. Thus we all are entitled to the same chances to do stuff only if its get to level 2 or to go on a dragon raid that we plan since we all pay for access to the game we are entitled to access every part of the game. Note i am not saying i deserve planar gear cause i pay for the game , just the chance to get the gear.. So imho all the crap going back and forth needs to stop. One day I am going to be high enough to go into the planes and then I will go. I will either go on a raid to break it or maybe i will just jump thru the portal to see what it is like to jump thru the portal either way I pay my 9.89 to play the game. This whole crap comes down to Who made you ( not you onyyn but you in general) the ruler of the server, who gave you the ability to say what is right and what is wrong. Nobody did, so as long as what people are doing does not affect you then who cares. kinda goes back to the old thing of if you want to drink in your own house who can tell you its wrong , but the moment you get in a car and drive then it affects others ( or is that effects who cares i am not a english major) Ok let the flames commence and the petty name calling and the people who will say that ishould shut up cause i am not high enough to go to the planes.. Eltherion
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| Setis
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Quote: I think this is what most of the people are trying to get at. The people who can and do break Fear, do so, take their spawn, and leave. Others come in, and proceed to keep the zone occupied over a 3-4 day period, prevent guilds and such that can break Fear from even coming in ('cause let's face it, even in this case I don't think anyone is going to march in and try and overthrow the zone, even if people have been there too long in their opinion). When people "farm" (maybe taken out of context here, but that seems to be the general word that everyone has labeled this behavior with) Fear for 3-4 days and prevent others from taking a turn, it does affect others (the others who would like a shot at the plane as well). Setis Dagre | |
| Graen
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Quote: Have your gate spell ready or good luck getting your stuff back Eltherion Graen
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| Eltherion
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Heehee yea too bad i dont get gate, Oh well... I am one who will do it in raids, cause I want the joy of breaking the plane.. But it was just an example.. Elth
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