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Synjyn
DragonFist  Global user (3/29/00 9:15:15 am) Reply  |
On the issue
of "farming"
(EDIT NOTE - Changed for Vendrix to make him happy: Subject line and intro should correctly read... "Direct flame, bash and ridicule aimed at Da'Kor. This is in hopes that I can do my best to flame and piss on the guild Da'Kor in hopes of a flame war and so that I can do my best to be looked down upon by people such as Vendrix." Is this better Vendrix? *smiles*) The following are simply questions / statements and is not intended as a flame to anyone so don't get your panties in a bunch. Why is it that now that there are many more people who can go to the planes people are be'n considered farmers for not break'n a full zone? Why was Da'Ice never considered farmers before others started do'n the planes? Does the fact that no one else had the ability or guild size to go before mean that Da'Ice didn't (doesn't?) farm the planes? Is it that when a guild(s) that reaches planes level a long time before everyone else does that they have the right to be excluded from be'n farmers for the simple fact that no one else can do the planes yet? Farming a repop is farming a repop reguardless if you broke in origionally or if you are the only guild on a server that can even go to the planes. Where is the challenge for stay'n for another spawn cycle? If anyone wants to deny that that has never happened on EMarr then you are a flat out full of shit. Are some people so concerned about this "pharming" because they feel threatened that they will loose some uniqueness? Are they worried that they will no longer be the only one or two people on the server with the "special" planes armor to set them appart? It seems to me that some of the people that are complain'n the loudest about "pharming" are the ones who have done the same themselves in the past and still do some. Some of you have full planes gear so other than to just have something to do there really is no need to go to the planes, but you still do weekend after weekend. Then you turn around and bitch because someone is come'n in to "farm" after you did all the hard work. Well if you are only go'n for the challenge and don't need any of the gear there why don't you go play a tweek or take some time off and let others "earn it" by have'n to break in themselves. Of course then if people did that they couldn't bitch about how people are "pharming" from their hard work and would have to find another reason to belittle someone. Well I'm sure there is more I could think of, but this is get'n long enough. I'm sure someone will get offended by this and have to flame or what not and I can post more down the thread when they do.
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| Vendrix Global user (3/29/00 10:46:00 am) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Syngyn, you really need to proofread your posts. Not for gramatical errors, but for simple contradictions. Saying "The following are simply questions / statements and is not intended as a flame to anyone so don't get your panties in a bunch" and then following it up with what you actually wrote is like sitting in the woods with a gun in full camo claiming you arent hunting. Your entire post was baiting us to flame you. I even let my secretary read it. After a brief explanation of what the post was in reference to(so she wasnt completely clueless) she said, "he really doesnt like Da`Ice, whatever that is?". If you werent trying to flame someone, you did a very poor job. EDIT: Much better. Vendrix Edited by Vendrix at:
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Chukzombi
 Global user (3/29/00 9:00:17 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
i use to wonder why people would go back to the same place after they kicked ass the first time. the GMs do alter the dragons/planes sometimes so the difficulty can still be there. im not saying this is the only answer, just a suggestion. another thing is practice, how can ya ever get good at something if ya only do it once. a good tactic is always fun to test. Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Synjyn
DragonFist Global user (3/29/00 9:05:24 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Vendrix, First off I don't dislike Da'Ice. I dislike lots of people in DaKor, but I don't hold the assholes of a guild against the others. I happen to respect Kizmen and Atrapos very much and have no problems with others such as Elwyn and Ogmuk. I have never had a problem with anyone from Ice Clan and was even asked to join them a long time ago. Now what you are say'n is that I cannot ask a question or make a statement that includes Da'Ice anywhere in my post with out it be'n a flame? Ok, If thats how you want to read it then sure take it as such. Every question I posted was a genuine question that I'm curious about an answer. I would like to understand the logic people such as yourself have for say'n one thing and do'n another. And like I said I knew someone would get their panties in a bunch and expected this. I just wish I had put some money down on the fact that you would be the first, lol. I also see you didn't even try to answer any of my questions. It is just easier to say I am just try'n to flame you than to just answer some of my qestions? Chuck, I can totally understand practic and try'n out a new tactic. What I'm talk'n about is the ones that bitch about it that have a solid tactic, that have great teamwork, have all their gear, but have to constantly keep go'n to do exactly what there bitch'n about.. farm'n and not let others "earn" it like they bitch that they should.
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| Avii
Ravenwing Global user (3/29/00 9:07:38 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
I really must check the boards more often. That new picture of Vendrix makes me feel all warm and squishy. I can't tell if it's the blue skin or the fact that he is apparently hung like a mule. Screw farming, the really important issue here is how much are you packing there, Vendrix? I mean, you're an elf. Sure, in proportion it's pretty impressive, but stacked up next to a troll or an ogre, what do you do? I'm really curious. And for those of you who think I went way, WAY off topic - these "questions about farming" and "skills to do the break in" comments always degenerate into what is essentially a war over who has the biggest balls and the most effective penis (metaphorically speaking), so why don't we just say to hell with the 400 post rant and cut straight to the chase here? Feel the love, gang - Avii Ravenwing 31st level Monk The Tarsis Shriners "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis itabes"
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| Chukzombi
Global user (3/29/00 9:08:42 am) Reply |
macho macho
man
um Vendrix? please go back to the purple cutey. did ya get that pic from the "Village Peoples" web site? Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
Aadon
.gif){kind=small} Global user (3/29/00 10:32:05 am) Reply  |
Re: macho
macho man
Avii, what the hell is itabes? If this instruction(instruction?) is too much to bring together... which doesn't make sense because instruction isn't the subject..... damnit I haven't worked with latin in 7 years....why you gotta do that.. 
hmmmm let me take another stab at it "In as much as this phrase (?fleeting instruction?) is too much to bring together" Aadon Irontree 49th level Druid Erollisi Marr Edited by Aadon
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| Sharasali
Shadowsoul Global user (3/29/00 10:44:56 am) Reply |
Breaking and
Farming
These are the definitions of breaking and farming as i understand from most peoples view points. Breaking. Also refering to breaking the spawn. Using a variety of tactics to take a single or a few mobs and killing them individually until the area is clear, also spacing the kills apart a lot of the time. Farming. Controlling an already broken area. Killing each mob as they spawn. OR Taking multiple camp sites for own profit, while others have none. So, how did everyone get their ykeshas, mithril 2 handed swords, rmbs, mithril breastplates, Painbringers, Fleshrippers, SMR's, FBR's, FBSS's, TBB's? Breaking or Farming do you think? Its possible you got it on a break, but its NO WAY as likely as you 'farmed' it. And remember, these are the definitions that everyone agrees on. So next time you say how much you hate farmers. Think on how you got your gear, Breaking or Farming. No one is innocent. And remember, on our server, farming was a pre-plane term. Shara Crazy sk with obssessive tendencies. "They dont call me a Knight of Hate for nothing."
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| Vendrix Global user (3/29/00 11:21:10 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
OK, gonna attempt a reply to your questions... Why is it that now that there are many more people who can go to the planes people are be'n considered farmers for not break'n a full zone? This is just my personal opinion as my definition of farming may differ from that of everyone else. To me farming is holding the plane(this is only in reference to POF farming, dont draw any corollation to Lower Guk or Sol B) for an extended period of time. Farmers are people that dont care what others think about how they get their gear(which is why they dont post to these threads). Once they are able to latch onto a broken zone they stay for 2-3 days leaching the spawns and locking out anyone who would just take 1-2 spawns. Why is it that now that there are many more people who can go to the planes people are be'n considered farmers for not break'n a full zone? As per my explanation about, we werent locking anyone out since no one else had the organization to come in. There was no competition. Ill draw a small analogy by saying that you shouldnt have to leave the Lord room when there is only 1 group killing frogs near the zone. Is it that when a guild(s) that reaches planes level a long time before everyone else does that they have the right to be excluded from be'n farmers for the simple fact that no one else can do the planes yet? Well... If you are truely looking at this in a practical viewpoint then yes, they are excluded as illustrated above. Farming a repop is farming a repop reguardless if you broke in origionally or if you are the only guild on a server that can even go to the planes. Where is the challenge for stay'n for another spawn cycle? If anyone wants to deny that that has never happened on EMarr then you are a flat out full of shit. WHEN we did do it, there was no one else that could. Now there are and we stick to 1-1/2 spawns to give everyone else a shot. If you want to deny that, ask us when the last time we were in POF before this weekend was? It was about a month ago, in that time we went no where near POF. Instead we did POH, dragons and *gasp* POS. Are some people so concerned about this "pharming" because they feel threatened that they will loose some uniqueness? Are they worried that they will no longer be the only one or two people on the server with the "special" planes armor to set them appart? OK here is a really basic analogy. You are a boy scout trying to earn your merit badge for fire making. You go out in the woods, gather a pile of excellent twigs and tinder to make the fire. You sent it all up, get out your sticks to spin at high velocity creating the friction to ignite the wood. You did it! You started the fire, got your badge and everyone knows that you earned it. 30 minutes later along comes Chet, your archenemy in the Merit-badge-toting boy scout world. He, deciding its too much work to get his own, decides that using the embers from your extinguished fire would be much easier. In a mere 2 minutes he puts some dry leaves on the embers and rekindles your fire, thus earning his badge. Did he get his badge..yes. Will that tactic help him in the future...I doubt it. You may both have the same badge, one was earned and one wasn’t but both appear the same to anyone. Some of you have full planes gear so other than to just have something to do there really is no need to go to the planes, but you still do weekend after weekend. Then you turn around and bitch because someone is come'n in to "farm" after you did all the hard work. Well if you are only go'n for the challenge and don't need any of the gear there why don't you go play a tweek or take some time off and let others "earn it" by have'n to break in themselves. Ive been to POF more than POH. Theres 1 belt in all of POF that I have any use for. I got to help and hang out with friends, just like you. We decide as a group where we should go and then we do it. Its just damn discouraging to not see POF for a month and then when we want to go in, the same people have been there for 3-4 days straight. Go in, kill a spawn or two and get the fuck out. Other people ARE in line, if we have to acknowlege that then everyone else should. Vendrix | |
| Chukzombi
Global user (3/29/00 11:25:20 am) Reply |
um
no
sorry to tell ya thats wrong but it is. farming a item doesnt mean camping a item til you get the one you need. it becomes farming when you are a wizard camping ykeshas. it becomes farming when you are a warrior camping the smr. it is farming when you are a warrior with 2 ykeshas already and you are camping a 3rd one. now a shaman camping a glacier bear for the totemic helm quest for his first helm is not farming. a cleric camping priest room in sol b for your first mithril bp is not farming. a caster waiting around for pyzjn to pop is not farming (i know that person doesnt have one. no farmer spends 10+days sitting in a newbie zone waiting for the tiny biatch to load the GBS) that is my definition of farming /camping. maybe im insane but thats my opinion Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Daeth
Global user (3/29/00 11:39:22 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
ok i'm sorry but i can't help it... Chet! LOL ROFL *must.... breathe...* Chet! HAHAHAHAHA ok i'm all done now =)
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| Kalten Unregistered User (3/29/00 12:11:47 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Synjyn, about farming. Da`ice did farm and can probably admit that. If they cant.. well we know different. They farmed. Like the time they tried to hold it for 4 days. They were also flamed for it and havent done it since. You have to admit they havent really hogged a zone. They were in sky for a good amount of time but i think thats different personally since it costs like a million plat to break that zone. They did it before cause they didnt hurt anyone. Who else even wanted to go to fear? Now, the server is way overcrowded (verants fault) and we really do need to share. If da`kor were to farm again they would get flamed to hell and beyond. I think if they tried it, other guilds would move in on them even. Vendrix even said in a previous thread awhile back that they were wrong. They farmed cause nobody even cared. Once they got continuously flamed like people are being flamed now, they stoped. I think something that gets people mad is that there are people with nearly full planar equip who have NEVER broken a fear plane spawn. I mean I have 0 plane armor myself. I have tried to break fear many times. I have failed many times. I have been in fear and been unlucky with the randoms. I have never stayed more than 10 hours in fear. I guess maybe its greedy to think this but yea, it kinda does get me mad that people who havent put half the effort I have into something can stay there for 40 hours and walk out with half of their armor. Just my opinion. See vendrix boy scout theory. I think that sums it up. Call me a loser or whatever for taking a video game seriously but farming a plane seems almost like cheating to me. (I also think members of da`kor who joined after they were well established and organized only to get loot are also cheaters and shouldnt talk too much about taking the easy way out but ill leave that flame for another day) So i guess the main thing is da`kor farmed a zone they had broken. People these days farm a zone they dont have to do anything, turning it into another lower guk or sol b. I dont think that was verants intention. One thing I do agree with ya on synjyn. I hate people who say they care nothing about loot and only the "challenge" That is bs cause there are a lot of challenges there where loot sucks.
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| Sharasali
Shadowsoul Global user (3/29/00 12:12:26 pm) Reply |
Is it camping
or farming?
I agree Chuk. There is a fine line between camping and farming. I dont take items that anyone else has a need for and i already have. There is no point for me to roll on a SMR. I might occasional take what is considered junk (eg Black Tome with Silver Runes) for friends or a twink. In Guk, that i would possibly roll for now is...TBB, m2 handed, RF or Yak. Because i can use these items. The 1 handed swords to train with and the m2 for use with the tbb. Do i want anything else? Hell no. I got what i needed, so ill do what Vendrix keeps saying Da`kor does...Get the hell out! But some people dont know the difference between camping and farming. This causes some of the issues with flaming. It was just a point. Shara Crazy sk with obssessive tendencies. "They dont call me a Knight of Hate for nothing."
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The Lady
Amalthea  Global user (3/29/00 12:25:39 pm) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
*agrees with Avii and loves the new pic* Hey, baby, let's go buff the gnome.
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| Aurore
Local user (3/29/00 12:29:10 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Do people really sit 3 or 4 days there after previous guild leaves? My impressions was that as of recently, when a guild who has made the break leaves, they tend to be replaced at first by a smalle guild or two, but this then turns into a 'list fest' a la Kings room in solB, with no guild actually running it, just a rolling replacememnt of people which keeps on either until it fizzles out or until theres a disaster. Although it is annoying when this goes on for a very long time, I personally dont mind too much within limits. Theres a lot of people who are either not in a guild, or in a guild that in no way can break a plane, and it gives them a chance to see fear. Let them have a bit of fun and a shot at some of their armour. I suppose it would be nice if these 'rolling groups' confined themselves to weekdays and leave the planes free at weekends for the guilds. This is fair as when there is a disaster, they will need one of the guilds to break the plane so they can do their CR. As to Vendrix's boy scout badge analogy - I dont agree its quite a fair analogy. The boy scout is after the badge 'to prove' that he can make fire. The second boy scout cheated and 'cannot' make fire but has a badge to prove he can. So he is a liar as well as a cheat. The people going to a plane to get the armour, for your analogy to hold - would have to want the armour to use as a 'badge' to prove that they could break fear. This would be the same lie. In fact, they make no such claim. They simply want some good armour. So the moral context is not the same. The clue I suppose is to not use fear armour as a badge of achievement any longer. Its just armour now. Good armour yes, but not a symbol. Given the coming of the expansion, which Abashi has admited will contain gear better than the planes because it has to cater for level 60's, planes armour will no longer be so special in a few months. Being considerate, letting people take turns, and trying to keep it friendly would be the most sensible way to go. People dont really want to hear either flames, gloating or depracating remarks. It doesnt achieve anything and just makes the blood pressure increase 
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| Wodaman
Global user (3/29/00 12:48:25 pm) Reply |
Re: Is it
camping or farming?
Durn, was so looking forward to doing this plane business when I got well into 50 level after next. Guess I shouldn't have read this board but some of the luster is disapearing before I even see a plane. Oh, another comment: Archenemy boy scout? We have players who are archenemys? (Other than that guy that kept deliberately, and with malice aforethought, ksing my avocets way back when?) At all levels in the game we encounter players who have equipment beyond their means to acquire on their own, or even grouped. Thought we'd pretty much come to consensus not to run around flaming them? If they can't play well enough for their level then other sanctions come into play (we don't group them anymore). Complaining about someone else getting the same item you got cuz they dint work as hard at to get it? May as well take it up with Verant cuz, though its unlikely they might change something, its even less likely spreading grief amongst players is going to.
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| Thalanthas
Brightspire Global user (3/29/00 12:49:13 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
The issue imo is that of being curtious. I don't care if a group breaks the plane or not. For me personally I'd much rather break it that come in to an already broken plane, but I don't expect everyone to share my opinion on this. What I do expect, however, is that people will not hog the zone when others are wanting to hunt there as well. Once you clear the zone....leave and let another raid come in. I don't much care for these endless lists. Form a raid party (whether you are breaking or not) come in, kill one (re)spawn, then leave. Unless a group is VERY slow, they should be able to do this in about 12 hours (if CT is in zone, this could take longer, but it shouldn't). That would mean that 2 raids could happen per day, and about 5 could happen on the weekends (counting friday night). The way it stands now, people are staying in there (by their own admission) for 30-40 hours, perhaps not all at once, but for anyone to be in fear that long during a single weekend is being very selfish and depriving others of the opportunity. Lately it seems most of the guilds have pretty much agreed on one spawn then out...I just hope this conintues. Thalanthas Brightspire
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| The
Sensei Global user (3/29/00 1:09:42 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
I think the general consensus here is take your 1 turn, then be nice and let other people in IF other people want in. Personally, much like Da'Kor and the Ice Train back in the day, if no-one's waiting for a shot at the Plane, I don't really see a problem with hanging out a few spawns. I do find it a bit ironic though that the same people who admitedly used to do that are now bitching about people farming a second repop after clearing once as if they were somehow getting off easy. I do have two questions though, and while it will probably be taken as a flame (it is coming from me after all, credit where credit is due), I really am curious as to the response. Vendrix, you and others from your guild/raid crews have posted here that you now do "1 to 1 1/2" spawns then leave." At the same time, however, I then see your guild/raid crews post derogatory notes about those people who enter a broken / partially empty Plane and begin camping (thereby missing the, uh "fun" of breaking it yourself). Question one then would be about that extra "1/2." Isn't that farming, by your own definition? See the point I'm getting at here? You complain (you and your guild/raid crews) about people basically sitting in a Plane for 2+ full spawns, and call those people farmers, but then again you stay for longer than one full spawn. Perhaps the question is then (and I apologize if I missed this in one of your posts earlier), where is the demarcation between a "farmer" and people just "doin' the zone"? Forgive me for being blunt, but that sounds a lot to me like you are modifying the rules a bit given the circumstance, and effectively saying "it's farming if we're not doing it.' Secondly, if a group does 1 1/2 spawns, then it would take a full spawn timer (12 hours or whatever) for the zone to be fully repopped. You only have, in a given weekend (when most people do these raids that get bitched about), 5 full spawns I think. So you yourself do 1 1/2 starting Friday night, then the Saturday group gets denigrated by your own groups the next week -- I think this may have been the point Synjyn was trying to make. I guess the question I'd then pose is, isn't a bit hypocritical, knowing the state of the game (multiple planes willing and able crews now) and the limited time to do full-bore raids, to effectively guarantee someone has to enter a broken zone, then complain that they don't do a full break? I should add in here that in my experience, Da`Kor/Ice n' friends has been more than gracious in scheduling raids with others and letting others get their shot, including one day when they scrubbed a Hate run just so we (the Shriners) could try the zone for our first time. I'm more just curious here, as well as a little bored at work, and seeing if we can't sort some of this silliness out. - Chai, TS
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Memn  Global user (3/29/00 1:35:14 pm) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Chai: You have brought up the term IceTrain many times. Just so you know, our trains came from our crazy dwarf Pally Genneral. We ourselfs have given him the nick name Trainneral 
. I dunno, to me thats like calling you guys the Shriner bitches just
because you are one.
Sorry, just one of those moods
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| Synjyn
DragonFist Global user (3/29/00 1:58:09 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Vendrix, Thank you for give'n me your answers to my questions, though they were not directed at you, but for eveyone in general to answer. See it wasn't that hard a thing to do to begin with. I also would have never put anything in about people get'n their panties in a bunch if I knew it wouldn't be taken the wrong way. I'm not bashful about call'n a spade a spade, but people on this board seem to get pretty defensive automaticly and I put in my "disclaimer" to show that was not my intent. Had it been my intent I would come out and say so. On the boy scout issue... Because Chet lied and cheated to get his badge doesn't mean that the boy scout who rightfully earned his badge is any lesser or that his badge doesn't mean as much. Just as if every Monk on the server were to get full Shiverback and all they had to do to get it was walk into an empty zone to loot Shiverbacks it would not make my Shiver armor mean any less to me because I had to break into a full zone and die over and over to get it. I know what I had to go though to get it and thats the important part. I don't have to prove my worth to anyone but myself first and formost and then to my friends. I still would not put down or belittle someone because they got theirs the "easy" way. I would also not bitch about them "farm'n" unless they were preventing anyone else from get'n a chance at loot. On the issue of people be'n in the planes for three and four days solid is where we do both agree with each other. They are hog'n it and thats wrong.
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| Vendrix Global user (3/29/00 2:20:24 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
The reason I even included the 1/2 is because of Saturday night(if I didnt include the 1/2 I would have been called on that, either way I knew I was going to have to post a follow up). We started POF at about 5:30pm EST and cruised pretty much straight through killing CT at 5:30am Sunday morning. We knew for a fact that people were coming in at 11am EST so we werent "hogging" the plane from anyone, since we knew exactly who was coming when. 11am came and we left, that was the deal. On a side note, some random people[read: farmers] zoned in while we were still there. Had we not asked them to leave, the next group would have logged into a farm-in-progress. I cant properly defend exactly why we stayed since I wasnt there, 12 hours is plenty for me thanks. Syngyn. The Boy Scout Story, Part Deux: Both the boys go to a state wide boy scout mixer where everyone shows off their badges as proof of achievements. The badges should be a symbol of knowledge, hard work and accomplishment. One is and one isnt, but to people who werent there when Chet got his they both mean the exact same thing. I would like people on Emarr to see me/us/non-farmers as people to, in a small way, look up to. Someone thats been down the long road to 50, has many accoplishments and is good at what he does. Planes gear used to be a brightly colored symbol of achievement. Now all it means is you got your name on [another] list and/or had the patiece to wait outside the POF gate til a /who all didnt show anyone inside and you got a broken zone to harvest. I want planes gear to mean the same thing for everyone that has it, not just me or Da`Kor...everyone. A lot of people are fighting and putting in the work to get it, a lot arent. You should be able to have pride in what you've earned. Having that belittled by farmers makes me sad. Vendrix | |
| Jirith Global user (3/29/00 2:37:42 pm) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
"1m m0or l33t th4n u!" "no ur n0t!!"
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| Synjyn
DragonFist Global user (3/29/00 2:39:10 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Vendrix, I agree with what you are say'n to an extent. Maybe I'm just wierd though because it doesn't bother me that someone else hasen't put in their time or hasn't "earned" their gear. I know of a few monks on this server that couldn't pull their way out of a wet paper bag and honestly shouldn't have the right to call themselves a Monk, but they still have alot more Shiverback than I do (just got my second piece last weekend). Does this bother me.... not at all. I'm proud of what I've done and what I have and them have'n more than I do doesn't change what I have accomplished. Do I think they don't deserver it.... hell yes I feel this way, but I don't go and belittle them for it. I keep my thoughs to myself or between me and a close friend. Maybe I'm just very strange in my beliefs and feelings *shrugs*
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| Ogmuk Administrator (3/29/00 3:00:27 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
C'mon guys, it's not about right or wrong here, you're never gonna agree with eachother. Person 1 likes his food baked my mom and chewed my dad and just ready on his plate to swallow. He think he earned his food on the right way like that. Person 2 likes his food raw and think he does not deserve the food in his stomach before he cooked and chewed it. He think he earned his food on the right way like that. Of course I cannot close my post without the hated quotes: "Dad, can you chew my food for me?" "Why son?" "I ate your pre-chewed food last week" "Da`Ice, could you break PoF for us?" "Why?" "So we can farm it till monday dawn just like we did last week"
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| ASTOUNDED Unregistered User (3/29/00 4:16:52 pm) Reply |
ASTOUNDED
Are we living in the STONE AGE? Where a man must kill a lion with his bare fist? (no monk pun intended). THIS IS JUST A GAME! WE ALL PAY our $10 bucks a month to have FUN! I agree with a lot of the good ideas that have come out regarding these threads. (ie one pop and out rule, communication ect ect). BUT if someone wishes to take the path of least resistance IT IS THERE CHOICE! PERIOD! If they are abusing the system (staying more than 12 hours, PETITION! we have a new GM
)If your idea of fun/adreline rush is taking on a full spawn more power to you, I prefer skydiving. Play nice, share and have fun! My 2 cps
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Shiloh
TruefireX  Global user (3/30/00 2:15:50 pm) Reply |
Few Questions
for Vendrix
Fine I removed it, didn't think it was personal. Maybe it's just the fact I can't stand people who are arrogant and have no clue what they're talking about (Not directed towards anyone of course).
Shiloh Truefire
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| Adasmial
Lifebringer Global user (3/29/00 6:54:23 pm) Reply  |
Bad Form
Shiloh
The subject says enough.... Adasmial Lifebringer 50th Cleric Lords of Valor
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Lifebringer at: 3/29/00 6:54:23 pm | |
| HakNukum
Global user (3/29/00 6:56:29 pm) Reply |
Re: Bad Form
Shiloh
I agree with Chuk. >>sorry to tell ya thats wrong but it is. farming a item doesnt mean camping a item til you get the one you need. it becomes farming when you are a wizard camping ykeshas. it becomes farming when you are a warrior camping the smr. it is farming when you are a warrior with 2 ykeshas already and you are camping a 3rd one. It's not farming until you are getting items you do not need, or intend to sell/trade. Otherwise it's "camping". Zone broken or not. That's an utter technicality the elite fall back on as some justification to belittle others. Camping PoF for 30 hours is not farming. It's trying to get armor. Now then, is it wrong? Yeah, maybe, if others are in line, but I seem to recall people camping Drelzna 30 hours for JBoots. How exactly are the planes any different? The planes are just a harder "camp". They require more to break and hold. But it's all the exact same thing as Drelzna or any other camp in the game. I for one don't see how you "farm" no drop gear. And anyone who applies "farming" to a plane is just silly. People may "HOG" a plane, but they aren't farming it. So start a new term. -- | |
| Kalten Unregistered User (3/29/00 9:54:56 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
"Camping PoF for 30 hours is not farming. It's trying to get armor. Now then, is it wrong? Yeah, maybe, if others are in line, but I seem to recall people camping Drelzna 30 hours for JBoots. How exactly are the planes any different?" Your right. People arent "farming" pof. Just a term we used cause we couldnt think of another one I guess. Hog perhaps is better. Why are planes different? Cause they are supposed to be the hardest zones in the game. I like skyplane personally and think fear should be made similar. Nobody is really wrong here. Yeah It is a game. Im competitive in rl and it carries over to a game I guess. Many people take the easy way out in RL and take the easy way out in a game. I think you should work hard for everything you get. Just me though. Synjyn your right. You take pride in your armor and thats all that matters.. I know its a game but when paladins who go "I have more valo" than you say that to me.. just irks me. Especially when they do nothing to get it but have absolutly no real life and can sit in a zone for 40 hours. Maybe I take this game too serious. Honestly, loot matters much less now than it did before. Not sure if thats good or bad. Aurore, couple things about your statement. Not everyone can play a lot. I understand that. Sure let em go to fearplane and try it out. Try out the hard part also..At least I think that. Dont only go to fearplane when it is broken. Also, dont stay for more than one spawntime. The people that get to me are the ones who always say sorry, I cant help you break a zone or sorry i cant help with the cr cause "lame excuse insert here". But when fear is broken they magically can play for unhealthy hours. There is no real right or wrong on this issue though. Those that want to work hard for our equip feel cheated. Those that dont want to work hard are happy and have fun in the game. I can live with that. Im glad we got the 1 spawn time issue settled though =) at least I hope.
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| Drall
Global user (3/30/00 4:58:10 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Deleted , im just gonna sit back and watch the unabated frenzy. Drall Daboff Edited by Drall
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| Aurore
Local user (3/30/00 4:09:11 am) Reply |
hmm
1.vendrix and symbols of achievement: The danger with glowing symbols of achievement is that they often go from being such to being used as another way of saying 'Im better than you'. Whether this is 'earned' or not I dont think the aggravation is worth it. Planes are an achievement that has been 'achieved' a long time ago now, and the armour is not unique to one set of people, and will become less so, however it is obtained. You're goingto sky a lot, so you will have the opportunity to display other colourful symbols of achievement which *will* be unique - for a while. These things are transitory. 2. Kalten You misunderstand what I said. Im not talking about people who play a lot or dont. I'm talking about the vast majority of the server which is not in a planes capable guild and probably never will be. When a guild has 3 or 4 people level 46 plus, and cant begin to hope to mount an expedition, they either never go to planes, ro can take an occasion such as this to go and check the plane out and get some armour. I think these people deserve the chance to get a crack at it now and then, and they *cant* break the plane. So as long as they dont stay for 4 days in a row or prevent people breaking the planes at weekend, I dont see whats wrong with it. Anyway, lets keep thigs in perspective. We talk about achievement
There are 2 things which come to play when breaking a plane. Numbers and
organisation. I wont mention tactics, because after the first few times
there is not too much varience.Most guilds are handicaped by numbers. ie they simply dont have the number of 46+ members. Getting that number is essential, but it is not 'an achievement to be proud of'. It is however the hardest part. Organisation: 1. you need monks who know the plane. This information comes with time and experience (and death). 2. You need groups, with a certain number of healers, who undertsand how to assist and how to demob healers. So the above is not a world shattering nobel prize type accomplishment. Its not something youre going to be telling your grand children about. Its a relatively simple problem with a fairly straightforwards solution. The only reason more people dont do it is the numbers part. Any guild with enough people to break a plane frequently will learn to do it consistantly and well. I'm not saying dont be proud. Just keep it in perspective. Aurore
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| Thadew
Faedorn Global user (3/30/00 7:11:42 am) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
*sigh* Drall....no offense but are you serious? Vendrix, I hope this post isn´t looked at as offensive - I just have my doubts about the grass really being SO much greener on the other side
Besides from that I don´t agree on the serverstatus of Erollisi Marr... /salute Thadew
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| Vendrix Global user (3/30/00 5:24:55 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Woohoo! Personal attacks...nice, real nice. Vendrix | |
| Mlar
D Kath Global user (3/30/00 5:29:44 am) Reply |
Boyscout part
3
"The following year Chet is to old to go,instead his little brother goes and wears chets badges declaring that he earned them all" The change from Status symbol to plain equipment has been going on longer than the planes have been up.It is a foregone conclusion once the process was started,all you can do is have personal pride knowing that the character gained the equipment with real effort. Mlar D'Kath Golden Priest of Innoruuk
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| Ogmuk Administrator (3/30/00 5:32:52 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Odd, thought I'd be flamed for my "food" post :\ hehe
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| Kzzern
Global user (3/30/00 7:00:38 am) Reply |
Re:
hmm
*edited out* Sorry, made a long post detailing what is _actually_ needed for a plane raid, but then realized nobody really cares anymore. I'll instead make two points : 1) Breaking PoF is a great achievement. If someone tells you it isn't, they most likely have either never seen PoF, never broken PoF, or were led by their hand when participating in breaking PoF. In Aurore's case, none of the above, since most of her break-ins were spent in freeport while her corpse was under scare tower cuz she took a wrong turn. So much for just the monks needing to know the zone. Sorry Aurore, taking a wrong turn is understandable, but when you try to downplay the hard work of others like that, you deserve to be slapped with the "freeport break-in participation" as I like to refer to it. 2) (not related to Aurore's post, but just something I wanted to get out) To those that do break PoF... do you ever notice how all the tactics are worked out? All the camp locations are figured out, all the strategies of zoning in, setting up camp, ressing, fighting, pulling, etc. have already been discovered and are there for your use. Also, notice how when you try another method (the sweeping one comes to mind) you quickly get boned hard? Now, think about how much of a bitch PoF is to break WITH that information in your hand. Now, visualize for a moment, how much of a bitch PoF would be if you had NONE of that. There is _nothing_ wrong about using these already worked-out strategies.. in fact, if you didn't use them, you'd be silly. My point is, next time you see one of the original breakers of PoF, thank them, and show some respect instead of passing them by and thinking "oh just another 50th". They're your pappas and mommas. (if you want a list of names I can try to get it for ya - and no, they were not all da`kor, in fact da`kor was a minority among a majority of independents. And yes, a lot of those independents are now in da`kor and ice.) You can say all you want that "if they hadn't done it, someone else would have", and you may be right, but to this day, I have not found their equals or betters in skill, organization, and commitment, anywhere on em. Not to mention the fact that the number of other servers that had broken fear before that dream team on em did was - believe it or not - zero. Sad that some of those people are now sometimes accused of stealing strategies from other servers' boards
when those servers screamed "pof is impossible" until we did
it.And yes, I was there, but I was nothing compared to most of the others - and hell, still am. And no, this has nothing to do with the farming arguments. It has everything to do with people who don't have a clue about PoF claiming they do, and the hard work of the best players em has ever seen being pushed under the rug as no biggie. Probly should have started a new thread for this, but too late. F it. I would like it if everyone that was there for the first PoF break-in to say so here in the thread (i know some of you don't play anymore, but if you read this, pls post anyway. I miss you all regardless of the politics that eventually split us up). You all deserve a hand and some recognition. To those that are arguing about farming and skill, stop for a second, and read those names, and give them a /hug when you see them in the bank or at the merchant. And think about what makes that zone so cool(and one of my favorites in the game). If you need a hint, it's not the loot. /em gets all teary eyed /em runs out of the room kzz
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| Gerome Global user (3/30/00 7:50:33 am) Reply  |
Re:
hmm
Wow, Shiloh, given the general childishness and whininess I've witnessed from almost every LoV I've encountered, and that's quite a few, I didn't have a whole lot of respect for the guild in general. But any lingering thought that its not a collective of ignorance has been completely wiped. (was going to add something along the lines of this thread's actual topic, but realized it's all been said before and noone cares.) -Huggable Loveable Gerome
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| Chukzombi
Global user (3/30/00 8:47:41 am) Reply |
Re:
hmm
wow so finally there is something Errolissi Marr has done first. broken the plane of fear with the camp at the ledge strategy.(insert sarcasm) we are a young server so if given the time we would have been the first to do that, but sadly i dont think so. i have read that guilds on other servers had POF down so cold that their noob twinks were all camped in the zone so if a piece of armor was dropped they couldnt use they log on lv 1 shaman or ranger and loot up much like king room in sol b. verant had to nerf that and rightly so . making the planes 46+. im just saying we are eternally playing catch up with the older servers. thats the main reason i planned that brother zephyl raid. i wanted to have the distinction of doing something first in the game. Shiloh, i know you are young but christ man chill the freak out. alot of us look like we hate each other (/em snarls meanly at Gerome) but as far as i know most of us dont, we just like to do some grown up bitching. hell if i got a /t from that booger loving enc Gerome saying, hey chuk! you un sassy Biznatch knobjockey i died in X zone and none of my members are on come help me get my corpse you whelp. id prolly cuss him out a few times but still run my ass there to assist him as best i could. i cant say the same for him and i definitely dont think he would ever ask me for help. im just saying that we like to argue about our stupid game we pay for, its a grown up thing like yelling at your friends that said the Mets are going to go all the way this year. you say no way you jerk! you are stupid becuase everyone knows the Yankees are gonna repeat. they haave a better team . (rambling spell has worn off) Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Gerome Global user (3/30/00 8:48:13 am) Reply |
Re:
Memn
By the way, Chai is not a "bitch" just because he prefers the company of men and wears women's clothes. I just wanted to set that straight. He was quite hurt by that, and I felt a need to stand up for him.
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| Faroe
Local user (3/30/00 8:55:00 am) Reply |
Hi
Gerome
Hang your head in shame LoV. Gerome doesn't respect you. Don't worry, time will heal your hurt. Gerome, only a pussy and a coward talks smack like you do on a blue server. Do us all a favor and go play on Rallos and prove what a badass you really are. We share your pain that your gym shorts are still flying from the flag pole of your Alma Mater, but it's time to let it go pal. Just let it go. Aurore, you are dead on about perspective. Breaking PoF is a great achievement? Wow, don't set your sights so high guys. Would someone please post when and where the Boy Scout parade is gonna be. I don't want to miss it.
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| Gerome Global user (3/30/00 9:19:35 am) Reply |
Re: Hi
Gerome
Gee, Faroe, I'm a pussy for intellectually debating the merits of a game on a board designed to accomodate as such. Indeed, this does involve some flaming when the stones are eventually cast. Such is life. I say you're a loser. Hanging around a game board for a game you don't play, for no other purpose than to take shots at people for playing a game they enjoy (and simultaneously hate) and to describe how hard your life is and how lofty your non-game goals and accomplishments are, is just pathetic. News flash: Noone here cares. Maybe you should spend more time figuring out why your life is so damned hard and unbearable and less time hanging around here being an asshole. Anyway, to address your points: Breaking Fear is indeed an nice accomplishment, in the context of the game. I can see you have a hard time seperating reality and EverQuest, so I wanted to be clear about this. Noone says bringing a child up that knows right from wrong isn't an amazing accomplishment, but that has nothing to do with EQ or this board now does it. As far as Rallos, I started to play there. Indeed, our whole guild did. Believe me, we'd all prefer to play a game where PvP is balanced and is indeed a viable option. However, playing on a red server where 12 year olds that know all the bug exploits can instantly kill you with cheats isn't exactly what I'd consider "fun". Besides, PvP isn't the only way to be considered "badass". Beating the environment, especially one so buggy, can also be considered pretty badass. Given that, playing on a carebear server is all I can do to enjoy the game, and words are all I have to fall back on when there is a difference of opinion.
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| Nallae
Global user (3/30/00 9:28:02 am) Reply |
Re: Kzzern's
post
Kz I count you as a good friend but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Getting all misty eye's about the first breaks! Are you suffering from memory loss? Those raids had more backstabbing, complaining bitching, speed looting, zone hoggin, camping, farming, spend day's on end up there than EVER happens now. It was just in a smaller group and not everyone heard about it. Nallae Shadowslayer 50th lvl Gossip of E marr "There's NOTHING that happens on this server I don't know about" PS oh! and remember those nasty lvl 50 spiders that hit for what? 20 a round? Ohhhhh Scary!!!!
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| The
Sensei Global user (3/30/00 9:28:35 am) Reply |
Faroe
Try not to come down too hard on Gerome. Ever since being inadvertantly picked as the U.S. STD Council's "Genital Wart Poster Boy" in '98, he has been a bit, well, bitter. Please, be the first to shed this vitriolic flame war with me and join in prayer that with God's help (and a lot of topical ointment), Ger will soon get better and go back to his old day-job writing those Shoebox Greeting's Cards with the heading "For a Gay Lover." - Chai, TS
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| Vendrix Global user (3/30/00 9:32:30 am) Reply |
Re: Hi
Gerome
Chuck, just wanted to add a little insight to what you read and what POF was like when it first opened. Sure, some servers may have had POF "down cold" in the beginning, but that's because of the following reasons: 1. There was no level limit to the zone. You could roll in your level 2 warriors or a level 45 Shaman and sit them in the corner, AFK all day, because... 2. MOBs were NOT agro. You could walk up to a Scareling and hand it a guitar if you were so inclined. Roamers were fewer and far between and Cazic Thule could be beaten by a squad of 24 [non-planar gear equipped] people. Many guilds equipped numerous twinks with gear from POF before the "Great POF NERF". Pre-NERF, gear dropped on about 1:2 MOBs which why everyone on the old servers cried like babies when the zone was made tougher and the drops less. The "Great POF NERF" added agro to MOBs, introduced more roamers, increased the difficulty of Cazic Thule and reduced the overall drop rate. This is when EMarr became POF able. Our first glimpse wasn’t a walk in the park taking screenshots of Cazic Thule/Draco from melee range, it was a full on war at the gate. Just as Kzzern said, when EMarr started POF the Eqboard was lit up with 1000's of posts from angry people on older servers complaining of the new difficulty and the inability to equip twinks in the zone. While everyone was busy posting, EMarr did in fact do the first successful post-NERF break-in of POF. I wasn’t there, but I could hear the screams from three zones away, it wasn’t pretty.  There was no one to clear the zone before these guys. They NEVER had the chance to walk into an empty zone and farm someone else's respawn. Vendrix | |
| Aurore
Local user (3/30/00 10:43:35 am) Reply  |
correcting
Kzzerns posts
Small factual corrcetion to Kzzern. I have *never* ended up in freeport a single time as a result of taking a wrong turn in fear. I have taken wrong turns in many places and have on occasion died, but your assertion, as I am coming to expect fromyou now in relation to any post I make, is a fabrication. You are a liar - or your memory is very bad. I have died in fear many times, but it has been due to either the camp being overrun or being seen on break in. And in such a case I appeared in Greater Feydark not freeport where I am KoS and have been since before I started plane raids. As to the 'grand achievement', I do not claim it is not an achievement, but it is not an ACHIEVEMENT as I made clear. People flame and rant and whine and complain as if the copyright to a cure for cancer had been stolen. I suggested keeping things in perspective - you are peoples mommas and pappas? Please! Kzzern my Mom had better taste. This is a *game*. But i thought by now you had learnt not to reply to my posts with personal attacks. And in this case an outright lie. As usual, you continue to disrespect, so go take a cold shower, calm down, and keep it to yourself. I dont want to hear it and Im sure most of the people here dont either. Aurore
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| Gilg Unregistered User (3/30/00 11:15:43 am) Reply |
Kzzern that
is hilarious....
Do I congratulate the original breakers of PoF for a job well done? Sure. But I for one am not going to play ass kiss for something done so long ago. As a player who started the game when Emarr was already almost a month old(thats what I was told at the time) I didn't have a chance to be one of the original high levels. The day I hit level 20 I remember doing a / all 40 50 ranger and seeing only one, Tzzird, he was level 42. At level 20 I had 21 days played. I only grouped once up to level 15, often attacked yellows and reds, died a lot, and was basically piss poor at the game. I hit 50 for the first time on day 52 4 hours. Just because you guys were the first doesn't mean noone else could have done it Kzz. I respect Da`kor as a guild because they accomplish what the set out to do 90% of the time, not because they were the first to do PoF or anything like that. Just my thoughts.... Gilg "Pharmur Green" /rude Duso :P
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| BoyScout
Chet Global user (3/30/00 12:49:41 pm) Reply  |
OMG
OMG! Dude, I can't believe U R still pissed about that campfire thing. Get over it! LOOSAH! Chet
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| Kzzern
Global user (3/30/00 1:25:24 pm) Reply |
Re:
OMG
Nallae : sorry, but you were not there, and you don't know what happened. Whatever rumors you may have heard, they are simply that, rumors. If all your knowledge of what happens on the server has been acquired in similar ways
then you don't know much. One or two people felt that everyone was out to
get them, and that was, to sum it up, bs. The rest got along really well
and had an awesome time. I sure as hell did.Aurore : my apologies for mistaking where you are bound. I'm sorry, but screaming "liar" at me isn't going to change the fact that you did spend most break-ins at your bind point. I know this for a fact because when you were 'raiding', most of what I did was try to locate, and then retrieve your corpse from under scareling tower. On multiple raids. Now, like I said, this happens, and it's ok. But don't come to boards then and post how it's all easy and you just need a two-step recipe and you're ready to break pof. Also, notice that I didn't say "i'm your pappa and momma" - in fact, I said that I was nothing compared to most of the ppl that were there at the early raids. Gilg : exactly the shitty reaction I expected from people. I never asked you to kiss their ass, I asked you to give them respect for a great accomplishment. If you feel it's not due, fine. cheers, kzz
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| Chukzombi
Global user (3/30/00 1:25:58 pm) Reply |
eep
)
wow i didnt know the mobs in POF werent agro at first. when pof was introduced they gave huge warning to people that they would lose their gear and not to go unless lv 35+. what you said makes a world of difference. sorry bout that i was a mere guppy at the time lv 20 i think. Gilg show a little respect dude. nobody is telling you to kiss anyones ass, but give kudos to where they belong. would you shut thomas edisons electrity off if he didnt pay his power bill? /em cries over dead red chubby ogre shaman Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Kalten Unregistered User (3/30/00 2:27:52 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
"When a guild has 3 or 4 people level 46 plus, and cant begin to hope to mount an expedition, they either never go to planes, ro can take an occasion such as this to go and check the plane out and get some armour." Some people call these people gimps but I wont go that far aurore. Not at all. I support the people I know who went into fear after da`kor broke it to check the zone and get a feel. Contrary to some peoples thoughts I think they learned a lot. No prob with someone doing this. I do have a prob with someone doing this over and over and not trying to break the real thing. I also have a prob when they hog the zone for countless hours. But we all agree on that I think. Kzzern to say da`kor has more skill and commitment than anyone is just a stupid comment imo. I think you put too much emphesis on skill in a video game. They have more knowledge of zones, much more organization but skill.. nope. To say so puts you in the same boat of the Fires of Heaven idiots who claim everyone of their characters are the best in the game skillwise. Sorry, doesnt take a brain scientist to play this game and a lot of us are <gasp> just as good or better as da`kor members. Just not nearly as organized or experienced. As to commitment.. give me a break. There are members of da`kor who join for loot and to do cool crap. To say they are more commited than those of us who try to build up new guilds and learn to work together is just sad. Gilg, dont think they are asking you to kiss ass. I do respect these people for leading the way for others. I think I know pretty much the origional breakers of fear and hold respect for them. Funny thing is a lot of them dont even play the game anymore.
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| Nallae
Global user (3/30/00 2:55:04 pm) Reply |
Re: eep
)
Your right KZ I wasnt there, but I sure heard about it. I shouldn't have made light of your acomplishments and for that I apologize. I do know 95% of the people (that are still playing) that were on that first successful raid still speak of it with fond memories (exept for a few minor loot problems) and after all we play this game to have fun first I hope but we all do tend to take our little avatars a little seriously don't we. Nallae Shadowslayer 50th lvl Big Mouth Affliction *you know you play to much when someone call's out your EQ name on the street and without hesitation you turn around and say "Yes?"*
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| Sharasali
Shadowsoul Global user (3/30/00 4:22:24 pm) Reply |
Wait wait,
this isnt a discussion about farming
Guys, guys and ladies. This is no longer a discussion about farming or camping the planes. ITS A BITCH FEST. Calm down and shut the hell up with your flames. We all have sore points with each other, some joking and a lot that arent joking. If you flame someone, your gonna get at least another 5 flames at you. Is it worth it? NO! Aurore. "Organisation: 1. you need monks who know the plane. This information comes with time and experience (and death)." It can be done without monks quite easily. Kzz. "But don't come to boards then and post how it's all easy and you just need a two-step recipe and you're ready to break pof." Hmmm, what do you need besides good healers, good tanks and good pullers?? I believe that was Aurores point. Seems like you've got everything you need for a plane raid. Come on, what else do you need? Scoobie Snacks?
"exactly the shitty reaction I expected from people. I never asked you to kiss their ass, I asked you to give them respect for a great accomplishment. If you feel it's not due, fine." Yes, we'd give you respect for a great accoplishment. But are we expected to congratulate you EVERYTIME we see you online? Hey everyone, im the First Human level 50 shadowknight on our server (i think), all gotta send me congrats everytime im around. Same thing really. (actually dont send me tells
)Do I send congratulations to Ogmuk for being on the first PoF raid now? I doubt I will, because its kinda pointless now. I respect that he did it. But why should I congratulate him now. (Ogmuk was easiest to pick out, how can you miss him in that pic 
)Anyways, im starting to ramble. Shara Crazy sk with obssessive tendencies. "They dont call me a Knight of Hate for nothing."
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| faroe Unregistered User (3/30/00 6:16:11 pm) Reply |
One more
time(at least) Brother Chai
Hi Gerome, Ok, that's the second time you've referred to my hard life. On rereading my post, I can kind of see how you got that idea, but you have described yourself as intelligent. *shrug* The list of challenges I presented in my post were examples of RL as opposed to video challenges. They are real life examples drawn from friends I have who still play the game that were being referred to as gimps, farmers and unworthy of their armor.(The Dodge tranny example is mine) You able to follow that? Your reading comprehension has gone up!(2) As for my other post, you and your whole guild on Rallos wasn't exactly what I was suggesting either. I'm very sorry your aspirations as virtual 'gangstah' didn't work out, but that's the breaks. It's pretty easy to be a brave little smartass while your surrounded by friends. No, what I'm suggesting is you start a naked level one without telling any of your friends and seeing how your vaunted 'skeels' avail you. No more excuses about balance or bugs or mean ole 12 year olds. Tell you what? Why don't you send weekly installments of your journal to this board so we can see how your doing? Of course we'll have to have some people on Rallos to monitor you and make sure your not exagerating, but that shouldn't be too hard to arrange. Tell you what else I'll do. I'll renew my account just for the privelege of being allowed to continue to post on this board. 9.89/mo. is starting to sound cheap again. Brother Chai, I'd love to kneel down and pray for redemption with you, but in the words of Saint Augustine, not just yet.
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| Guildon
Global user (3/31/00 11:33:56 am) Reply |
Re: Wait
wait, this isnt a discussion about farming
Let me point out the issue that everyone speaks around but never speaks about. The reason why x,y,z group succeeds while others fail is simply up to comfortability. Simply stated the reason why x,y,z group succeeds is due to the fact that they don't quit, they listen to intructions, and they don't take a me me me attitude. I have been on non-successful runs and the reason they failed was for the same reasons over and over. 1) People just abruptly leaving saying they have to do x,y,z 2) People saying that they need their corpse when there are 10-15 other corpses out there 3) People running to the wrong spot 4) People not listening i.e training the camp, or logging in at the wrong time or not invising or making pets etc. How do I know this is true well I am monk I have to pull all the bodies. I have seen it time and time again. The reason we succeed is due to these reasons: 1) No one quits out until we are established and beyond the ledge stage. 2)People are willing to lose exp and think nothing of it for the betterment of the whole. 3)People have been there enough so they know where to go. 4) People follow directions and we discuss a plan from a rational standpoint. So what is my point? Well simply put fear is cake to break if people don't whine and moan follow directions and get lost. Guess what if you screw up train the scareling tower you are in for a long cr. We accept this fact and deal. As for doing the fear without monks that is an inane statement. Sure it can be done but guess what sk's and necros are relying on a spell to feign death where their skill is much lower than a monks who use a button. Besides if all your revivers are dead no way to get people back in the zone. We equip our monks to deal with the no healer alive or bound scenario albeit a rare occasion. As for point two, "Hmmm, what do you need besides good healers, good tanks and good pullers?? I believe that was Aurores point. Seems like you've got everything you need for a plane raid. Come on, what else do you need? Scoobie Snacks?" Refer back to my original point on why people fail. Also falling to that catagory is poor multi-group play. Yes on one's own he/she maybe be a good solo or team player in a group of six, but does that mean he/she is great in a group or 18-30+. No, not at all. Simply stated some people lack the patience and the ability to multi-task (i.e assist healing fearing for clerics, mana conservation making sure people are in range proper mana spending etc.) during planar runs. The reason we have success is that we know we are there until we clear the zone smoke Cazic then leave. WE won't accept failure and we make sure our gameplay is up to par in order to accomplish our goal. This is the difference between successsful raids and unsuccessful raids. Those who succeed are more committed to achieving their goal. Same is true for anyone that can break fear or slay a dragon. You have committed to your goal and accomplished so you must have followed the steps for success as mentioned above. These are the same reasons why we have been the only ones to break Sky after the no levitation patch. No one has tried, and I ask the question why. Everyone goes to hate even though it costs the same to go hate as it does to go to sky. Yet nobody goes to sky. Well it goes back to my reasons for failure and success. !) we wouldn't accept failure 2) we prepared ourselves 3) Self-sacrifice donating 1000's of pp for the trip and leaving our character up there for 4-5 days 4) Great multi-group play. We had to have this in order to break the azarack isle 5)No quitting So from this one must deduce that people go to fear (already broken) and hate because 1) failure is almost impossible 2) the reward for almost no failure is tremendous Does this make me or any Da`kor member or any Ice member better than anyone else in RL... Certainly not but what people often forget it is a game. They take afronts personally and criticisms personally. Remember this is not RL people. Certain people are going to be better at certain games than others. Does this mean that I think I am better than anyone else? No, because many things I have done in this game couldn't have been done by me alone. Guess what I suck in quake but you know what it has nothing to do with real life. If somebody said they are better then fine they probably are anyway. I seek no recognition I just like to play to have fun and make friends. I find that when people vehemtly attack me or my character they are attacking a virtual representation of me which may or may not have any representation of myself in real life. Essentially the jist is why do you play? I answer for the friends, fun and the challange. I have lots of friends who aren't in Da`kor and Ice who I get along with famously simply because we understand that we are good people and like what each other has to say. The game isn't a personal front. So if I say you suck at x,y,z it is because you probably deserve it. /end Guildon Goldenheart 48 Season Erollsi Marr Edited by Guildon
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| Chukzombi
Global user (3/30/00 7:31:44 pm) Reply |
Re: Wait
wait, this isnt a discussion about farming
why dont ya give the reason why nobody goes to sky other than Da`Ice? they are waiting for you guys to get the loot from there and find out a "easy" way to get it. i agree why do something hard and painful when there is a simpler easier way. but we have so many UBer guilds now that tear the shit out of the old guilds that were friends to make loot whore machines. they are waiting for you guys to come back with the holy grail. well it will be interesting to see when expansion comes out who stays in the guk farms and who actually has the sack to explore and conquer Kunark. i for one will be there. whether it be alone or with friends brave enough to join me. Chukzombi Astrocreep | |
| Descry
Global user (3/30/00 9:14:44 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Hey Gerome, <insert somber music, and the pitter patter of teardrops> I'm in LoV and I can't seem to stop my constant crying and whining. May you have any suggestions? I could always just follow in your footsteps and continually dislodge my foot from my ass and repeatedly shove it down my throat. How am I doing so far? Oh no I'm whining about whining! Oh my what's a druid to do? Oh well please send me feedback on how I can stand up and out from these wicked LoV'ers. [email protected] DesCRY=LoV=crying&whining™
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| Aurore
Local user (3/30/00 10:51:41 pm) Reply |
Re:
OMG
As to the 'easy 2 step recipe' - well, sorry but what I listed was exactly what is needed. I never said it was easy. I suggested keeping things in perspective. Its a game. The accomplishment is there but you have to keep things in context. This is a game played for the most part by people who are 'untrained and undiscplined civilians' from a millitary standpoint. The people who achieve, do so because they have a degree of discipline, organisation, numbers, and the right classes. I say a 'degree' because compared to the kind of discipline a genuine millitary unit would have - even a mediocre one - the best EQ guild compares unfavourably. Of course they do. People have lives and comitments and didnt play EQ to join the army. But any 'real unit' setting out to play this game and applying true discipline to it would kick everyones ass. So the 'accomplishment' is 'very good under the circumstances'. Perspective. The problems faced are battles against a powerful but completely non reactive and disorganised opponent, and the scale is very small tactical. Sure the individual opponents are very strong, but they never learn, they have no 'tactics', the dont react to anything you do, and they make no attempt to pick a decent area of ground to fight on or to hold strong points or choke points like the portal. The opponent doesnt even cooperate amongst its different units to the slightest degree. You have no support, logistic or supply problems, and gathering intelligence is helped tremendously by feign and the fact that the ennemy never changes its troop dispositions between engagements, except for roamers who follow the same routes all the time (unless displaced or altered by Verant now and then). The problem is not a hard one in a millitary sense. It is just that people find it very hard to get even slightly organised. Da`Kor/Ice have, as have others now, and when that part is accomplished, the challenge becomes a lot easier. This is a fact. Achieving a modicum of discipline is an achievement, espcially in an online environment without someone standing over you to make sure you are disciplined, but as to a 'great accomplishment' well, like I said. Perspective. Kzzern you know full well that I am complaining about your statement because it is misleading. I repeat. I did not die due to taking a wrong turn in fear which was your original statement. Your implication is that in every or most raids I was on, I got lost, and you had to find my corpse. Well, I might get lost easily but even I can make a 135% degree left turn and aim for a ledge. Yes I died on break ins, but no more than most others, as I was standing next to them fighting at camp when it happened. Your statement was a misrepresentation. I dont deny taking wrong turns in many other places, since I have no sense of direction and often need to follow someone. I can hardly deny it. So I am rather surprised that you need to invent occasions when there are so many real ones. Oh and credit where its due Kzzern. Stop claiming you are 'less good' than the others. In terms of playing your class you are excellent at it, and easily one of the 2 or 3 best people in the Da`Kor/Ice grouping. No need for false modesty. You know perfectly well you are. I dislike you as a person, more each time I have the misfortune of shareing a thread with you, but your game skills are great, without any doubt. Aurore
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| Kzzern
Global user (3/31/00 12:10:30 am) Reply |
Re:
OMG
Kalten > Kzzern to say da`kor has more skill and commitment than anyone is just a stupid comment imo I agree, it is a stupid comment. I don't think I said anything of the sort. If I did, apologies, that was not the intended meaning. I _did_ say that the group that first broke PoF was comprised of the best players that _I_ had personally ever met on em. And I stand by that statement. I believe I also made it clear that most of those people were not da`kor. Aurore > Stop claiming you are 'less good' than the others I stated that at the time of the first raids, I was nothing compared to them, and I still think so. Thank you for the gameplay compliment, I have tried very hard to improve. But, on the other hand, I do still think that some people that were at those raids are still my betters... Azakar and Shinjo/Hadoken are good examples of this. And sorry.. but with my own eyes I watched you on two successive raids take a turn directly into the scare tower and die there, in spite of repeated instructions on where to go, and urgings to look at and memorize maps. Once as a matter of fact I was walking backwards to the camp to make sure you were with me and you still failed to follow. You may be able to convince others that this didn't happen 
but... it did. Theorizing on boards about military strategies is nice and
good, but when it comes time to hammer, you have to have nerves and
concentration to turn the theory into practice. If such a simple thing as
running from point A to point B is so tough, maybe the rest of your easy
plan for breaking a plane isn't quite so easy. For the third time, let me
reiterate that what happened to you was understandable and by no means a
grave failure - but it should serve to make you realize that it's not so
simple as you put it here!And I don't really care what you think of me as a person. Those that truly know me, and those I truly care about, love me as much as I love them, which is a lot
. That's all that matters to me.Nallae : thanks
It was fun, nerve-wracking (almost as much of a rush as qwcl hehe), and we
really felt like we accomplished something meaningful at the end (in a
game no less laff).kzz
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| Kalten Unregistered User (3/31/00 1:06:32 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
My bad kzz. shoulda re read your post. Sorry bout that one. Btw chuk, all the people in uber guilds arent looking for the easy wayout and loot machines =) Personally, I'd love to try skyplane. Would like to make sure everyone can work together before that point though cause i really dont wanna spend all the money in my bank til im sure we have a shot. Not cause we wanna wait for da kor to provide the instruciton manual. Kalten
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| Vendrix Global user (3/31/00 5:42:47 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Kalten, dont take this as a personal flame. I was just waiting for someone to post what you did so that I could ask this question... Personally, I'd love to try skyplane. Then whats stopping you, or anyone on the server for that matter. People love to dredge up the fact that our skillz are no better than anyone else's. Then prove it to me, show me you are my equal. Im not using this as a point to brag about, but come on. The zone[POS] is sitting there completely empty for weeks yet no one even attempts a go at it. We finally get bored of the same old shit and lay the smack down upon some Azaraks and all we get is "your skills are no better than anyone else's". Thats just weak. BTW, Noble Djorn is still untouched. How about laying some skill-less beatdown upon him? Anyone...Bueller? If you think skill has nothing to do with success on raids then put yourself together 40, random, level 50 players and apply some carnage to Azarak island. If its not about skill, then 40 of you should be able to do the same as 40 of us. Please dont belittle our achievments when you dont even play in the same ballpark, you have no ground to stand on. Vendrix | |
Elwyn
 Global user (3/31/00 7:09:02 am) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
With this statement, you just proved your inability to follow even the simplest of instructions. >Well, I might get lost easily but even I can make a 135% degree left turn and aim for a ledge.
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| DowdMuk
Global user (3/31/00 7:31:34 am) Reply  |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
ok, well you just gotta love that pic from our POF "get in there and get 'em" attempt.. lol. Nothing like playing dead for 6 hours. Ppl were dying before they even loaded.. Loading Please wait.. <insert carnage here> Loading Please wait.. I have no comment of a flaming nature thou.. *thinks* F*ck off!
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| Gerome Global user (3/31/00 7:49:52 am) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Once again Faroe, you're missing the point. The list of challenges I presented in my post were examples of RL as opposed to video challenges. They are real life examples drawn from friends I have who still play the game that were being referred to as gimps, farmers and unworthy of their armor.(The Dodge tranny example is mine) You able to follow that? Once again, I refer you to the banner on the top of the web page you are currently reading. Do you see how it says "Erollisi Marr" up there? Is that a new model of Dodge Truck that I am not aware of? Most of the rest of us are here to talk about things that happen inside the realm of Erollisi Marr, not Dodge Trucks. Our lives, and life accomplishments, has absolutely nothing to do with this game. You able to follow that? Your reading comprehension has gone up!(1) However, I do find it amusing that you had to replace the transmission on your dodge twice. Maybe your elite transmission repair "skeels" are not as good as you thought. Or was it a design flaw? Anyway, back to the merits of the game. I still say that getting ones armor by farming a broken plain is cheesy, and people that do it this way shouldn't be so proud of having "earned" it. To reuse the old analogy, how proud of finish Quake on God Mode can you really be? On this, my opinion will not waver, because I can't even conceive an argument that would refute that one simple point. Regarding Rallos. Some of us don't look at this game only as a way to express our "skeels", as you so eloquently put it. Some of us actually DO have friends and enjoy playing the game simply as a way to keep in touch with friends from other places, college, etc. It seems we, unlike you, can seperate this game from reality. However, We also enjoy banding together as a collective to face and beat the challenges of the game, buggy as they may be. This does take some degree of skill, and yields some degree of accomplishment. Splattering someone on Rallos that enters a zone but hasn't finished "zoning" yet, and can't fight back, does not. Simply adding the PvP component of the game to prove oneself "worthy" of fear and respect isn't going to make it more or less enjoyable. Perhaps if you had friends, and a clue, you'd realize that.
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| Perenor Unregistered User (3/31/00 8:54:32 am) Reply |
My Views and
Expereinces
After several days of reading this post, I can't contain myself any longer and I have to put in my 2cp worth! Please forgive the tangents this reply goes on, but it would be impossible to reply to each thread individually. 1) Vendrix: : "Then whats stopping you, or anyone on the server for that matter." In one word !Equipment! There have been enough threads regarding how important planar armor is and the success of those who have versus have none, so enough said. To Guildon : I'd love it if our monks had the luxury of running around with a Staff of Forbidden Rights. 2) Learning Curve: Da'Ice had all of the higher level zones to themselves for several months. During this GOLDEN AGE Da'Ice was able to. a) Learn to fight as a multi group unit. b) Learn everyone’s strengths and weaknesses (and weed out the bad apples). c) Learn the zones. d) GET/EARN/FARM/POINT SYSTEM/ECT the right equipment. e) Had the luxury of time, to keep trying the same zone/mob day after day until you got it right. It must have been a great, but as it stands now there are several planar/dragon capable guilds. Each of these dedicated guilds are fighting tooth and nail to get their planar equipment and I GARANTEE you that within the next 3 to 5 months POS will be broken by one of them. (It’s the constant friction of everyone trying to do the same mob/zone and competitive time restrictions, which are causing most of these flames IMO) 3) Grouping: Anyone who has made it to 46th + KNOWS how to function effectively within a 6 person group . Where the game "fails" is prior to reaching these levels YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GROUP with more than 6 people to succeed. I could expand on this subject but I don't have the time. 4) FARMING: I've been on all sides of this fence and even sat on it a few times (had to leave myself open for a flame). I was guildless well into 50th out of choice. The only way for me to get POF equipment back then was to wait for the spawn to be broken and go in with my friends. Am I ashamed of this fact, NO, I had fun getting my equipment and gained valuable POF experience. (Never been lost in POF and I didn't camp the portal waiting for you to leave). As a BOM & MS member I have paid it all back in blood, the first dozen times we BROKE into POF, I could have built a new temple to CT with stack of corpses I left behind. Did I have fun, YES, but what is most important, I learned what it takes to break POF and I gained more multi grouping experience. The issue isn't about farming, EVERYONE HAS FARMED at one point or another, whether it's in Norrath or the Planes. It is about recognition, respect, courtesy, honor, personal challenges and SHARING. I believe Gerome said it best and I quote "It is just a game... I'll have fun playing my way, everyone else can do whatever ya want." Now if we could only get past all the flaming, personal hatred and keep cooperating, we could make EMAR the best server around. Perenor Silverthorn 50th Level (patchwork )
Druid~MS~
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| Nallae
Global user (3/31/00 11:43:27 am) Reply |
Re:
Doom!
Doom and Quake have a god modes? Damn! Nallae Shadowslayer 50th lvl leric of Innoruuk Affliction *who has a horrible time trying to play any game that requires hand eye co-ordination and thanks verant for making hot keys!*
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| Perenor
Global user (3/31/00 11:28:17 am) Reply |
DAMMIT
Punctuated and spell checked, and then I make a spelling mistake in the header. Perenor Silverthorn 50th Level Druid ~MS~
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| Guildon
Global user (3/31/00 11:45:41 am) Reply |
Re:
DAMMIT
Perenor sure we had much more time I do agree there, however we also had to suffer through the trials and tribulation of learning how to deal with fear and how tame it. Like I said in an earlier thread would anybody have broken into fear if we hadn't stated that we had in a public forum? Yes, but it would have come much later than the time we did it. Why? Because if we had lied about breaking fear nobody would have tried it until people knew it could be done. Some servers still can't consistantly break fear. Guildon Goldenheart 48 Season Erollsi Marr | |
| Kalten Unregistered User (3/31/00 12:03:10 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Vendrix, If all those "YOU's" are directed at ME than yes I do take it as personal. I have FULL respect for da`ice. I dont like some of your members but I respect your organization and effiency. Khelder just started a new guild. We have never fought together. Honestly, I do love a challenge. I went to pof one time w/out breaking (1 spawn btw). Will never happen again. Last night we went to kedge and took out phini. (none of us knew what we were doing)(none of us every killed phini)(was a good challenge imo) phini and 4 swirlspines are a good fight. none mezzed or charmed also. I was gonna post asking how to pull this guy but didnt cause would rather find out ourselves. Honestly I really wanna get to work together before we try skyplane. Thats just my opinion. If you think im a wuss for this.. than so be it. I'd rather work our way up and get to know eachother before we try to break sky or fear. I mean plz vendrix give us some time. Dont think we are less skilled only because we havent had the time to be as organized and efficient as you guys. As to the idea of skill again. Hehe I think we have different opinons of skill. Im no way am I belittling da`ice. Ive said it before. You are the most organized and efficient guild. I believe this is because you have worked together for MUCH longer than the rest of us. If you guys just met for the FIRST time, could you take out sky or a dragon or fear? From what I saw in the fear picture you didnt master the universe in one day. If you honestly think you could than you are better than us. I just think you guys belittle the rest of us by thinking we have less skill due to us not working together for months and knowing what eachother is going to think. There are so many factors in everquest. Some is luck, a lot is organization. There are a lot more "skilled" players than you think. There are worse players absolutely but a lot of us out there are very good. To me, skill is a talent. Michael Jordan has skill. Why cant people match him? Cause hes better. period. If skill is organization, communication, and experience than you are by far much more skilled than me/us. If you give our guild months to practice where there arent enough lvl 50's to compete with us and we still cant do what you've accomplished.. than you have more skill. IMO skill cant be learned. Its just there. Again, I dont think your post is directed at ME specifically, but this is why WE havent attempted sky. Or hate or fear for that matter. If this post is directed at the people who farm repops, then I agree with you. Please dont think I dont like a challenge and like the easy way out because that isnt me at all. ps: another reason why a majority doesnt try skyplane is because it is a lvl 53+ zone made to be conquered after expansion. We dont have the armor or weapons to attempt this zone. However, you have plane/dragon armor/ weapons which gives you a bit of an edge. Most of us have NO plane/dragon gear. Again, not belittling your accomplishment but i think you are comparing apples to oranges in a way.
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| Parascol
Global user (3/31/00 12:23:17 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
I'm going snowboarding. Be back in 5 days. Toodles =) Parascol
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| Perenor
Global user (3/31/00 12:37:57 pm) Reply |
Re:
DAMMIT
I agree with you whole heartily Guildon and the accomplishments of Da’Kor and The Ice Clan, have inspired many on our server to exceed. It’s not Da’Ice’s fault they where there first and I for one will never fault them for it. It has taken time and a lot of effort, but the independents are becoming organized, experienced and have learned from your/their mistakes. What irks me is that everyone on every server is working for the same goal and has experienced the same problems (we all have war stories of our successes and failures). But because of pride, personality conflicts and greed, every accomplishment eventually gets flamed (whether you did it 1st, 2nd , ….or 100th). I hope that the spirit of cooperation that has been prominent lately continues. I would like to see everyone get a shot at a dragon or the planes on a regular basis. Whether they succeed or fail as long as they learned something and had fun that’s all that matters. Perenor Silverthorn 50th Level Druid ~MS~
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| Nallae
Global user (3/31/00 12:58:01 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
Hehe /em nallae pulls out a can of spraypaint and sprays this on the Da'Ice guild hall walls: Ha! you all were all puppies compared to the Hand's of Destruction Phantom Knights and the Crystalwinds. Hell! Varrix would not have even found lower Guk if it wasnt for Corvid! *Duck's and run's for the zone with Ogmuks pet in hot pursuit* Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Nallae (making trouble again)
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| Perenor
Global user (3/31/00 1:10:00 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
That was slightly before my time Nal. But I did bump into Corvid a couple of times and he always answered any questions about spells, hunting tactics and where to get exp. Perenor Silvethorn 50th Level Druid ~MS~
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| Vendrix Global user (3/31/00 2:40:40 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
Nallae, wtf are you talking about? I woulndt have found Lower Guk without Corvid? Are you smoking crack, uninformed or a combination of the two? I dont even know if I ever met Corvid while playing Varixx, but I do know when I found Lower Guk and who was with me. The first group to enter lower guk(to my recolection) on EMarr was Fyrnis's group[Fyrnis, Barak, Leiran, Frosty, Ogmuk, Naru]. The second group to enter was myself, Nazeth, Azakar, Wrath and Ctuchik. I know for a fact that you and Corvid were no where in site when we were killing everything in the dead tower. That was about the time the Phantom Exploiters were still pulling Minos to the Live side zone. Vendrix | |
| Nallae
Global user (3/31/00 2:59:25 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
/em snicker! I know hun, Fyrn's group was first just pulling your hunky leg, wanted to see that picture again...Yummm! I had to post something I knew you would not be able to resist replying to! /em petitions verant to have all male dark elves models to look like that! Nallae Shadowslayer 50th lvl Tease *Gottcha!* *pulls out her crack pipe*
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| Mahlerion
Global user (3/31/00 3:10:53 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Vendrix said: "We started POF at about 5:30pm EST and cruised pretty much straight through killing CT at 5:30am Sunday morning. We knew for a fact that people were coming in at 11am EST so we werent "hogging" the plane from anyone, since we knew exactly who was coming when. 11am came and we left, that was the deal." THIS is what made me mad about being called farmers. As I said in my earlier post, it was arranged that we would be going into Fear. When we were ready to go, there were still Da`Kor people there, and that was FINE, it was their right to be. BUT HOW IN THE HELL were we to be expected to break the plane when Da`Kor stayed right up until we were supposed to enter???? We went when we said we'd be going. It was not our fault that the plane had not been permitted to refill. We spent one day there, with a several-hour break in the middle to allow for some repops. And for all this, we're called farmers??? Get a grip.
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| Ogmuk Administrator (3/31/00 3:17:08 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
Eek, I got to give my input in a large thread like this, but I don't got anything to say! Errrr... uhmmm *thinks hard* *doesn't got anything useful to say... like normal* Well, guess thats my input :\
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| Sharasali
Shadowsoul Global user (3/31/00 4:55:01 pm) Reply |
Re: Da'Ice
first?
"1) No one quits out until we are established and beyond the ledge stage. 2)People are willing to lose exp and think nothing of it for the betterment of the whole. 3)People have been there enough so they know where to go." "Those who succeed are more committed to achieving their goal. Same is true for anyone that can break fear or slay a dragon. You have committed to your goal and accomplished so you must have followed the steps for success as mentioned above." Hmmm, I did all that on a raid for more hours than you and im being called crazy, i believe by members of your own guild. Rethink your statement please. "So what is my point? Well simply put fear is cake to break if people don't whine and moan follow directions and get lost. Guess what if you screw up train the scareling tower you are in for a long cr. We accept this fact and deal." So do others, its just nice to have a time frame dont you agree? "No one has tried, and I ask the question why. Everyone goes to hate even though it costs the same to go hate as it does to go to sky. Yet nobody goes to sky. " Id love to goto PoS. But id rather be prepared first. Werent you saying about having patience earlier and not going in unprepared? "1) failure is almost impossible" -cough- Ummm, yeah right. For the allmighty Da`kor and Ice Clan in their near full plane gear sure. Us younger guilds arent equiped with the kinda gear you have, so its not suprising that we might 'fail'. How many of you have got PoS belts? And the speed increase is how much? Come on guys, take off all your plane gear. All your amazing dragon loot and then try it. Sure you have great organisation, and you know how to play your classes well, but i betcha its a hella lot harder now. Well thats what we go through, so dont say how a plane is 'almost impossible to fail'. Because the only reason its like that, is because you all have gear that we dont have. And its not because you were on PoS. Its because you had free run of the planes before any of us younger ones could get on. If you wanna keep arguing Guildon, im game. But lets not get into a flaming. Im really not in the mood. I very much doubt you'll ever believe anything I say. But what the hell, it passes the time.
Shara Crazy sk with obssessive tendencies. "They dont call me a Knight of Hate for nothing."
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Verdunae
 Global user (3/31/00 7:15:47 pm) Reply |
Re: On the
issue of "farming"
Planar belts are FBSS + ac and stat mods. And anyways, anyone with an FBSS and a 49th enchanter will haste cap. Equipment makes a difference, but being able to work well with a group and utilize your spells and skills to the maximum extent will do more. 30 people in full planar gear and god weapons will still die to a 4 mob overpull in Hate if they don't have their act together. 12 people who know what they're doing can break the same plane.
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| WillowbayOrelse Unregistered User (4/3/00 1:15:04 pm) Reply |
Give me a
break!
First off, I have to say that Vendrix is so full of himself, he should have named himself Narcissus. What is with the pics lol? I haven't seen something so funny in a long time. Thanks for the laugh. On the farming issue, I have to say almost everyone has done it, PERIOD, so don't be hypocrytical anymore. And farming and camping are defined by general concensus, and are not the same thing. So if you want to argue say, Austrian linguistics, or even the subset of South American Repatriated Austrian Linguistics in a Hungarian Linguistics discussion, please be quiet and go the right place. When my group was supposed go in there, we were told that the planes would be free at midnight PST. I petitioned a GM for a repop of the zone so that we would have a chance to break-in. The guide said that a GM would be on shortly to talk to about a repop. Two hours later at 12 midnight PST, Bubu told me that Vendrix said "I was missinformed." When I spoke to Vendrix, he said that they were staying. So your earlier statement, Vendix, of "Go in, kill a spawn or two and get the fuck out. Other people ARE in line, if we have to acknowlege that then everyone else should," is BS, because you told me that "well sorry but, we are staying here," which pretty much translates to buzz off. And Vendrix, I cut and pasted that quote from this list on page one, so don't refute it. I have a "raid list" that has roughly 30ppl that do NOT want to leave their guilds of friends to join higher level exclusive guilds that go on raids. We had planned to go into Fear on Friday, but I found out that another guild was going in, so waited rather than make them split the zone as the Guide said we could. On Sat we planned to go in again, and found out that Da'Ice was going in, so that is when we started talking to ppl that were going in who said they would be there till they killed CT, then they leave, being no more than 14 hours total (repop time). So all of my ppl rested up so that they could go in at midnight, roughly 14 hours from when Da'Ice entered. As I said before, I asked for a repop of the zone, as did Da'Ice, but there was no GM on to do it. Is that my fault? Do I have any control over this? Hell NO I don't. When the zone is open, and it is the weekend, when most of my friends (and most people in general are on if you look at the numbers of people) can do plane raids, then I'm going to go in and I could give a F@#$ less what Da'Ice or anyone else says, because I play this GAME to have fun, PERIOD. I dont mind breaking in at all, and we did the past two weekends (sky last week, fear the week before), but if the only way we'll be able to get into the planes is after someone else because they have taken up the whole weekend, then we will. Afterall, it is Verant policy that we can, and we stayed out twice to be courteous, something everyone should learn. If this pisses anyone off, then it is because you have a guild that is up in levels, and you don't have to wait for when ppl can get on, or you can bully ppl out of the way when you want to play in the planes. I can't do that, nor would I do that to others, but I'm not going to cower in the corner while the higher level guilds (who all came from other guilds when they were younger) push there "muscles", lol, in everyone's face. And Aurore was right, it isn't a badge of honor, or a beauty contest winner's doorprize, its just better armor for now. It doesn't imply jack, its just stuff. And some of us don't feel better by simply having just stuff. Willowbay Orelse "Sisters Without Mercy" Guildmistress
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