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Ablazen Holysword 
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(3/3/00 2:10:06 am)
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Plane of Hate (Mar2)
I love letting people know what is actually dropping (erm...cleric armor..erm), so here is list of stuff which dropped in an about 8 hr raid:

Indocilite Bracer - lionfist
Cleric Gloves - Katz
Cleric Arms - Tuan
Cleric Boots - Dryn
Cleric Boots - Hopson
Cleric Boots - Burro
Monk Mask (Maestro) - Toloc
Ashenbone Axe - Holybright

We took down a significant portion of the zone, including the Maestro, and had a great time.

Genji 
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(3/3/00 2:16:32 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
what a rip off, Maestro only drop a mask and nothing else :b
We kicked ass tonight, clean out the whole zone, execpt for a few mobs left in the 2nd floor of maestro's home.


Katz StormSeeker 50 cleric

Trillium 
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(3/3/00 2:44:42 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Not a bad night at all.... to bad the maestro sucked

Vendrix
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(3/3/00 5:00:00 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
>>I love letting people know what is actually dropping (erm...cleric armor..erm), so here is list of stuff which dropped in an about 8 hr raid:


why?

Vendrix
Da`Kor Archbishop of Innoruuk

"In a world full of enemies, Im an enemy of the world"

Ragnerok
Unregistered User
(3/3/00 5:46:43 am)
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Ww I missed the ashenbone, Doh!
Heh, must have been on that one that died before all the clerics over ran us and we all ate death. I didn't know one dropped.

Jirith
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(3/3/00 8:31:59 am)
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Re: Ww I missed the ashenbone, Doh!
I agree with Vendrix in the why, but I just had to point out:

pub4.ezboard.com/fem...20.topic
There are other instances too, but this is a recent one.

-Jirith

Ogmuk
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(3/3/00 11:57:14 am)
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Loot
EDIT: Didn't know you people felt offended by this post
*sigh*


Post whatever you like, but please keep it on a mature level. Thanks.



Og Muk <Da`Kor>

Edited by Ogmuk at: 3/3/00 11:57:14 am

Vendrix
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(3/3/00 8:53:45 am)
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Re: Ww I missed the ashenbone, Doh!
I knew someone was going to bring that back. I posted it as a server first type thing, just to make everyone aware of the existance of the new weapons.

Posting general armor drops, to me, is like posting when you get a Ykesha in lower guk(well, maybe not that drastic). If/when someone drops Mayong Mistmoore I hope they post here what he dropped but I dont think we need to know about the nightshade wreaths, oppaline earings and other MM gear they get along the way?

Anyway, post whatever makes you happy.

Vendrix
Da`Kor Archbishop of Innoruuk

"In a world full of enemies, Im an enemy of the world"

Impereal 
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(3/3/00 9:14:57 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Who cares?

<shakes his head and laughs about what people bitch about on this board>

Gerome
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(3/3/00 9:17:29 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Hoo boy... here we go again, get out your asbestos undies...

The Sensei 
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(3/3/00 10:06:54 am)
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Vendrix
Well, since you so graciously are allowing us to "post whatever makes you happy," (thanks man! Preciate it!), how bout ...

pub4.ezboard.com/femarrdragonsandplanes.showMessage?topicID=7.topic

or ...

pub4.ezboard.com/femarrdragonsandplanes.showMessage?topicID=120.topic

or my personal favorite, right off your guild's homepage news briefs:

Did a power PoF break last night gangsta style. Poor Dracoliche didn't have a prayer. Most if not all gimp bodies were recovered, I hope none decayed. To the people who begged GM character restoration by making up some BS story - Sad, you are worse than a gimp, at least they put forth effort and try!

Jeez, "gimps?" I'm sure the people your clan cr'd will be happy to hear how you feel about them.

You know Vendrix, I don't know if you are comparing planar armor drops to regular zone drops in order to stroke your own ego or just to make the people who got the stuff last night and the night before feel somehow lessened, but either way, instead of congratulating them you of course just have to piss all over 'em. Kudos to you, pal, great attitude! And people wonder why Da'Kor has a bad public image.

Is it so difficult to just post a "congratulations" and be on your way, or better yet, just shut your rampant pie hole and not post anything at all? Maybe for you planar armor is common but for the other 99.9% of the server who's getting into the planes for the first few times, it's a pretty big friggin' deal, just like it was for Da'Kor the first few times they went in.

You know it's not like I or my guildmates are the modicum of tact and politeness, but Jesus H and Mary, man, are you going for the FOH Humanitarian of the Year award here or what?

Why did Ablazen post that list? I'd hazard a guess because he's proud of the teamwork that went into getting that gear last night, he's happy for the people who got the gear and he just wanted to share the info. I think a better target for a "why" question is why in the fuck do you feel the need to piss on him, and indirectly everyone who got that gear listed in Ablazen's post?

Lemme guess ... you were just posting "your opinion." Well, just like you soooo graciuously invited us all to post whatever we please, I'd like to be the first to invite you to take your opinion and cram it up your ass, jerkoff.

Luv ya, mean it,

- Chai, TS

PS: Sorry Dave, had to be done.
PPS: Congratz to the guys who got gear last night and the night before, was the Shriner's pleasure to take part.

Kalten
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(3/3/00 10:17:39 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
GO CUPCAKES!!! soon you'll be a full grape.
grats to the other boys and girls with new toys

Ablazen Holysword 
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(3/3/00 10:43:29 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
just like Chai pointed out, I was merely posting the 'items' that dropped because..

1) As an indirect congratulations to everyone who obtained something.

2) As an indication that a bunch of people worked well together.

3) Cause i'm bored.

I'm sure while you may not appreciate these posts, that there are enough people who are saying 'wow, those clerics got some good armor up there, maybe we should try hate too.'

Kheld 
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(3/3/00 10:51:35 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Keep on posting Ablazen and others. Personally, I like to hear when my friends get some kick ass loot. And I know the feeling fo receiving something from the planes when you dont get to go to often...its a pretty good feeling. These people are just stating their happiness. Dont challenge them and jump on them. Give them a moment of pride, jeez.

Guildon 
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(3/3/00 11:01:32 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Maestro drops crap loot. Innoruk is the only one worth killing. WEll crap except if you are a bard.

Guildon Goldenheart 48 Season Erollsi Marr

Rhamel 
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(3/3/00 11:05:11 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Grats Toloc,

Most monks know how shitty is is to pull Hate due to pathing, and it's great to see one of ya got something.

Btw how many did you guys take up there????

Rhamel "VanDamage" Thunderfists
50th 0rder of the Whistling Fist
Insurrection
Erollisi Marr
"It bit me, the damn thing bit me."

Ogmuk
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(3/3/00 11:20:50 am)
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Chai
LOL Chai, prolly want us to flame you but I won't spend my precious time on that one.

A) Yes we do congratulate people and are happy for them.
B) People making up petitions so they get their character restored doesn't got to do with this, and FYI, it wasn't signed "Vendrix", was it?
C) You forgot Cattie's "PoH loot" thread :P



Og Muk <Da`Kor>

The Sensei 
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(3/3/00 11:23:53 am)
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Rhamel
We actually had a ridiculous amount of peeps up there. Midnight Sojourn, LoV and a few others were in Wednesday night when Halpo and I were pulling for them, then last night those groups and the Shriners both wanted to do Hate so we combined forces.

Think at the top we had 41 peeps, with one hell of a pulling crew ... Toloc and I as pullers with Toadhammer and Chaya as the chainers and poor Katz having to constantly regroup our sorry /q'ing asses and rebuff Tol and I :) Only one pull disaster (ashenbone pet was late to the part and brought friends) which was a nice change.

- Chai, TS

The Sensei 
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(3/3/00 11:33:37 am)
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Ogmuk
Actually, I didn't post that as flame-bait, I just think Vendrix's attitude is piss-poor serves no purpose other than to put someone else down for no reason -- and as a member of that raid last night you better believe I'm going to call him out on it.

Secondly, you're right, Sudo was the author of that news bit I clipped, thought I had put that in there ... either way, however, it paints the same picture to me.

Lastly, I remember a night, way back when during the first Da'Kor POF breaks, where I was told by one of your original members your clan specifically bullshitted Uini with a claim of a bugged zone so she'd clear it and you could CR (which he did). Throw stones all you want, just be careful about those glass walls.

- Chai, TS

Ogmuk
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(3/3/00 11:52:32 am)
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Err
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with a claim of a bugged zone so she'd clear it and you could CR (which he did).

I doubt Dramen did really tell you this :P

Actually we never had to petition with a bullshit story because *when* we petitioned we told Uini PoF crashed *AGAIN* and thus an empty zone, why the heck would we need Uini's help with an empty zone?

And yes, Uini told us PoF was awefully bugged and the zone didn't crash so often on other servers. >> And it was officially considered as a bugged zone. <<

If you're really curious what Uini said, it's still somewhere on the Da`Kor general board.

Please post a few facts (just a few) next time, thank you :)



Og Muk <Da`Kor>

The Sensei 
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(3/3/00 12:31:25 pm)
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Re: Err
Wasn't Dramen, and I have no intention of bringing who it was up here because it serves no purpose; suffice it to say your version is nowhere's near the night I remember. If you'd like to find out why that is contact me in-game; I'm not airing it here for other people's entertainment at your expense and I won't debate it with ya's.

BTW, please save that feeble "post a few facts" bullshit for alt.games.everquest -- you know as well as I do, Oggie, that the story on the old Da'Kor board wasn't always a perfect reflection of reality. Maybe you should have a chat with some of your members first before you go requesting people to post things you don't want made public.

Luv ya, mean it,

- Chai, TS

Trillium 
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(3/3/00 12:41:11 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
MAN! this board can be much more entertaining than Springer episodes! its pretty much the same thing... we have fights, mud slinging and just like on Srpinger, half the women are actually men LOL .... its too funny at times.

.... Trillium

Kzzern 
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(3/3/00 1:11:31 pm)
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Re: Err
Although Vendrix was sarcastic, and unnecessarily condescending about the loot list post, Chai, I don't think he was quite "pissing" on anyone. Unlike you, he wasn't calling names and posting personal insults (that's what I'd call "pissing on someone"). Mind you, there may be nothing wrong with doing either, but don't falsely call him out on it, and then do it yourself.

As far as you and Jirith quoting Vendrix and Ogmuk: posting loot lists from two raids out of a hundred does not equal posting loot lists every day from every raid and dating them. I think that was Vendrix's point at least.

Generally though, I agree with you... it makes people happy to get planar loot (especially if it's their first time) and it's cool to try to share that with the server. It is bad attitude on Vendrix's part to complain about it... BUT I don't think he was personally insulting, and neither should you be. And to be completely honest, I can kinda see where he's coming from (not with the attitude, but the initial question) ... da/ice/friends get lots of loot every day and tend to keep quiet about it... it is kinda funny to us that to some people each piece is a huge frickin deal and they need to let the entire server population know about it. Don't think there's anything rude or insulting about that... And yes, we are aware that it used to be that way for us in the past too - and I think even more so than to the new crews, because our pieces were usually the first ever on the server, and not just the first ever for us as individuals.

You mentioned the references some of our people made to the crew that was in before us in PoF calling them gimps. Well, to be honest, what's wrong with making fun of them a bit? (Yes, that's what it was, nobody was trying to be personally insulting, just making fun of them. You of all people should see that. If you refuse to, 'tough titties'.) First of all, a lot of these people were insulting to us when we offered our help. Second, once they actually let us in, while we were trying to help, a lot of these people were also constantly spamming us with annoying tells whenever we were trying to fight. I don't mean a tell here or there, I mean, "Welcome to Everquest. Landar tells you 'blah blah blah'" Third, while we were trying to do CR, some of these people were logging in inside the zone, endangering us, and ignoring our pleas to log out. We feel annoyed about their attitude and their actions towards us, and so we take a few shots at them and make fun of them. This is something that to me is hardly a huge wrongdoing, and I hope you agree.

In the end, after talking to that crew, we realized that it was all just misunderstandings, as usual. Can we still make fun of them for messing up and doing silly things? I'd hope so.

As far as the argument about giving Uini a crap storry about a bugged zone... I've never heard anything about this, and any amount of yelling back and forth (i.e. A:"These are facts!" B:"No, No, THESE are facts!") is gonna get us exactly nowhere.

So let's end this thread on that note... Vendrix did display bad attitude... but he didn't deserve personal insults and name-calling. The bugged zone complaint to Uini rumor is just that - a rumor... leave it at that. The gimp references made by some people are just people making fun of people for doing silly things. That's all. If you read into it and try to make a huge issue out of it, your loss.

The boards have been cleaning up nicely... let's not start any more flamewars.

Thanks

kzz

Xizo
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(3/3/00 1:15:37 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
***Xizo hits trillium with his chair***

Walterscott
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(3/3/00 1:23:03 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Xizo,

Soon as I read your comments I got a visual of Austin Powers - The Spy who shagged me. The Springer Scene, was some funny shyte. Almost brings back tears to my eyes now...:)

I'll not add anything else to this thread other than grats to those who got some grape armor. :)

Walterscott Cleric Level 42
Servant of Mithaniel Marr
Eternitys Circlet

Breez Lightfeather 
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(3/3/00 1:40:18 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
*pulls out the popcorn and watches thread intently for more flame-filled goodness*

Breez Lightfeather
Grand High Taxi of Erollisi Marr

Gerome
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(3/3/00 1:45:46 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
What the fuck... I haven't been involved in a flame war in at least a week! I'm feeling left out, so someone needs to call me an asshole post-haste or I'm going to have a complex.

You all suck.

*sniff*

Rhamel 
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(3/3/00 1:48:09 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Taking request for my next plane of sand outing. prime spots still available

Rhamel "VanDamage" Thunderfists
50th 0rder of the Whistling Fist
Insurrection
Erollisi Marr
"It bit me, the damn thing bit me."

Elwyn 
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(3/3/00 2:20:08 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Maybe Vendrix was just being "sassy"?

The Sensei 
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(3/3/00 2:35:46 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Gerome: "asshole."

Elwyn: shouldn't you be busy handing out copies of the Watchtower or marrying some 14-year-old girl online? Oops, wait, nevermind, Tosset was a guy. Mea culpa.

- Chai,TS

Maeghant Tuskbone 
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(3/3/00 2:36:51 pm)
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Re: Err

I'd like to formally request that discussion about the Fear raid the previous weekend stop. All points have already been hashed over and the story keeps changing each time. I'm emphasizing that the *story* keeps *changing* every time. Those who cleared the zone, those who helped CR, who zoned in when, who helped who, who was insulting to who, who sent tells, what works, what don't, motives, who had rightful claim on the zone at the time, and ON and ON and ON. Stop it. The more it is discussed, the harder *each* side works to appear correct and noble and the other side rude and incompetent. The axe is swinging *both* ways here and I'd rather not see it any more. I can't stop you folks from talking about it, but I've read the posts and each sequential one is an exaggeration on the previous.

Maeghant Tuskbone (The Level Meaningless Rogue)

Synjyn DragonFist 
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(3/3/00 2:47:45 pm)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Shut up GerGnome you Tarsis ASSHOLE!!!

Is that better now Gerome? Do you feel complete now? :)

Synjyn DragonFist (Lords of Valor)
50th Circle Monk
Erollisi Marr

Lords of Valor Home Page

Kzzern 
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(3/3/00 4:34:15 pm)
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Re: Err
I'd like to formally request that you stop implying that I'm a liar Maeghant.

Nothing I said in my post was an exaggeration, or a lie, or a 'changed story.' Claiming that it is doesn't make it so. If you'd care to point out what particular part of my post you think is untrue, I'll be happy to respond. In the meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you'd deal, instead of implying that I'm lying without backing yourself up.

I said some things in my post in this thread that I have said before, yes. So what? I was not bringing it out to insult you, or just to rehash old stuff. I was using it to explain my point. Anyone that reads my post carefully and has an IQ higher than Gerome's sheep can see that. I prefer that to the aimless rambling claims that seem to plague this board.

kzz

p.s. Sorry about the bitter tone, but I feel insulted.
*calms down*
*goes to look at geromesheeppornhaus.com*
love the chat room btw gerome.. "baaaa... baaaa... %($*#&^ BAAAA!!!"

Walterscott
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(3/3/00 5:14:50 pm)
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Re: Err
Gerome,

Your booger flipped me off and I don't like it... Asshole...

Walterscott Cleric Level 42
Servant of Mithaniel Marr
Eternitys Circlet

Maeghant Tuskbone 
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(3/3/00 10:18:18 pm)
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Re: Err

You have to admit, Kzzern, the tone and the flavor has changed. Read your previous post and you at least implied that what you had were observations. I tried to downplay and counter some of them, for secondhand information is shady at best. Now, in a new thread, they are far more than impressions, but it also sounds even worse than before. How did one event, which occurred a week ago, change?

The post wasn't directed at you, but anyone who is continuing to drag the last event around the board. I said the axe was swinging both ways, did I not? People on the initial raid and subsequent raid are both tainting the event with their own impressions, which by now have changed dramatically in a heated debate. Whether this be due to a better understanding of the facts or posts made in a heated state, I don't know... (which I doubt it is due to enchanced understanding, as continued postings only draw the truth farther and farther away).

And yes, I do believe that many things in your post is an exaggeration. For once you admit that all you have are impressions (hearsay, I believe a court would say), a bit of credibility is lost. Note, I am not saying you have lost credibility, because you seem to be an upstanding person, but the storyline does. Even the most honorable are subject to this type of scrutiny.

pub4.ezboard.com/fem...&stop=32
Sorry, not my best post, in a bit of a rush. Please accept my apologies if you feel hurt from my post, but I'm not sure if I was wrong.

Maeghant Tuskbone (The Level Meaningless Rogue)

Kzzern 
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(3/3/00 11:22:22 pm)
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Re: Err
When I stated that what I knew were simply things that others told me (in the post you have linked), I was clearly referring to the insults that were (I guess supposedly) thrown at our ppl. I stated however that I believed what I was told because I trust the source implicitly.

In the linked post I said nothing about what happened during our actual raid.

I never stated that anything else was second-hand information. The parts about ppl spamming us with tells, and logging/running into fear are not second-hand... I saw them with my own eyes.

Your apology is accepted... and I must apologize too for the misunderstanding we appear to have.

kzz

*drops the subject, for good this time*

Ablazen Holysword 
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(3/4/00 3:40:35 am)
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Re: Err
Quote:
As far as you and Jirith quoting Vendrix and Ogmuk: posting loot lists from two raids out of a hundred does not equal posting loot lists every day from every raid and dating them. I think that was Vendrix's point at least.


I believe i've posted 2 loot lists, erm maybe 3, in my entire existence in EQ. Is that to much? If vendrix didn't care to read the post (it was CLEARLY labelled), why did he even bother.

I hate quoting people, especially people I respect, but i just couldn't help myself.

Kzzern 
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(3/4/00 3:56:22 am)
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Re: Err
Good point Ablazen... I guess I thought I saw other ppl in your group posting loot lists too, I hadn't been paying too much attention to them. Apologies, my mistake.

kzz

Ablazen Holysword 
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(3/4/00 4:21:30 am)
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Re: Err
thanks kzzern. I just thrououghly dislike when i post something to celebrate coooperation, success, and the like, and then it turns into a flame war.

Gerome
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(3/6/00 6:56:48 am)
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Re: Err
Thanks for the love, guys. I was feeling truly unloved for a week there, but hearing about my favorite sheep (Flossie, the Woolly Sheep) and the general disdain perked me right back up.

Vendrix
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(3/6/00 8:16:39 am)
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Re: Plane of Hate (Mar2)
Let me get this straight...

You guys [Tarsis Shriners] can call people names on the, a public forum no less, and Sudo can't post a remark on our own web page board (read here as the many Gerome vs. Drall posts, or Gerome vs. anyone for that matter)? Sorry to bring your name out Gerome, I rather enjoy most of your posts.

Its also ok for you to disrupt someone's raid by shouting "EVAC", but we can't joke about helping people to get their bodies after a disaster that we didn't cause? While we take the time to point out that the strategy they used was flawed and shouldn't be used again you post a novel on the board that basically says, in a nutshell, "fuck you, we had fun while you got killed".

As for Ablazen. I, in no way, meant to douse any flame of accomplishment you had. Nor did I wish to belittle your achievement in any form. I should have found a better way to word my post, I apologize.

Kzzern, sorry if I just undid the bandage you applied to this situation but I couldn’t NOT say anything.

Dave [Onyyn], I'm sorry to you too… but your friend Chai is a hypocritical egomaniac who gets off on pointing fingers at anyone he can while shielding the do-no-wrong Shriners from any guilt they may come to bare. How do I become a card-carrying member of this elite organization so that I may be sheltered by Chai's paternal umbrella of witty retort?

Vendrix
Da`Kor Archbishop of Innoruuk

"In a world full of enemies, Im an enemy of the world"

Ragnerok
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(3/6/00 1:27:35 pm)
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The Real Issue here!
Look Everyone STFU! What has everyones knickers in a wad is that you guys, (lovingly self named D.I.C.K.), have been doing Planes and dragons for months. NO ONE ELSE HAS BEEN. You have pretty much had it to yourselves. YEA, wo wo ...happy happy joy joy. Ok move on. Many feel like the statements made by Vendrix are how you feel about the entire server. In other words we are below your notice because you are so much better players than everyone else. UMMM, lets call it as it is...your little alleigance allowed you to do the stuff no one else could while it was still easy way before any other players got a shot. Good... great, you "win".

Just try and be a bit less condecending and snobbish. I am real sad you are bored with the plane's and Dragons. Move on to another friccing game then. Let the server have a bit of self respect where they do not compair themselves to you and your "point system". No one cares but you all. The rest of us just want a shot. And we are a bit upsett that we can never get an open shot at a dragon or god with your guild arround. It is pure luck you are where you are. It certantly is not play ability on the part of your guild, most are not any better than any of the other upper levels on the server...Hmm that leaves the gear doesn't it? Well gratz you got lucky getting it when it could be easily done. Do not expect respect for that.

It certantly does not give you a right to be derissive assholes to the rest of the entire server!
Have a bit of self controll.
And have a nice day.

Ragnerok Bonerender
TTS

Memn 
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(3/6/00 1:35:04 pm)
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Re: The Real Issue here!
*blink* :|

*hands Ragnerok a shot of whiskey*

Memn/Maharett, IceClan

Gerome
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(3/6/00 1:40:30 pm)
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Re: The Real Issue here!
Ya took the thoughts right out of my head, Memn...

*boggle*

Dracon Battlehammer 
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(3/6/00 3:44:53 pm)
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Re: The Real Issue here!
egads its amazing how many posts you have to read through to get to something interesting or important sometimes, heh.

Dracon Battlehammer
50th Paladin of Lords of Valor
Erollisi Marr

Ablazen Holysword 
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(3/7/00 12:09:33 am)
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Re: The Real Issue here!
hehe..i just love memns post ) all one-liners :p

Ragnerok
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(3/7/00 8:56:50 am)
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Fine by me.
Ok so maybe It's just me that feels that way then. What the heck do I know. Perhaps posting while in a snit is not that great an idea. But man I am just damn tired of listening to everyone bitch and moan. (I am also personaly tired of making plans to play this silly game and do Plane raids which never happen, insted of going out and getting drunk).

Ok so if I was way outta line and nobody else feels this way then just blame me. Screw it.


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