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morlox
 Global user (2/10/00 7:00:40 pm) Reply |
wtf is wrong
with people
This is my first bitching of any kind on this board. I am furious about what happened in pof today. Its not that anyone owns spawns or owns zones...has nothing to do with it, its about respect which ou have none(those people i am talking about). Trillium and company where camped in pos for 2 or 3 weeks, we respeceted it, thought it was a long time but nonethless we didnt go in and respected you. PoF has not been broken in on the weekdays for a long ass time...before any of you ever thought of going to the planes. We were breaking in this week and doing quite well, everyday a full spawn. Everyone knew we were tehre and that we where coming, i thought we would of have been respected as we respect you guys, i was sadly mistaken. The new group went into to pof at 10 am, and we killed a mob at 7am..we wernt all there but the point is i think you took advantage of us breaking in and went in with no roamers, im not sayingn you couldnt of broken in im saying noone has ever talked about doing pof on the weekdays, and then all of a sudden i log in and there aer 18 pplz in the zone...and they didnt want to talk reasonably just felt like they deserved to be there, i am really dissappointed about the lack of respect and dont expect me to be that respectful to your requests anymore, i still wont come into a plane youve been breaking for a week after you clear the roamers and i know your cmoing back later...thats just plain fucked up and disrespectful. i just wish eq was pvp i would of been happier killing a few of those pukes. After i died i might of flet better...i dunno i just think you guys are fucked up morlox
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| Kenian
Global user (2/10/00 7:57:57 pm) Reply  |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Nothing to do with this but just curious... What's the damn policy now? First was scheduling/reserving... then it was first come first serve.... now it seems like its 'if we break into YYY plane on ZZZ night, we have it to WWW morning even though we aint all in there all the time...' ????????? Ken Edited by Kenian
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| kalten Unregistered User (2/10/00 8:08:56 pm) Reply |
reply
This is kzzern's reply when gerome asked what would happen if a group was in fear before da'kor logged back on. "Gerome, as I'm the one that's organizing these weeknight raids, I feel I should respond. In the scenario you suggest, we would do one of 3 things : 1) try to join up with you 2) camp so we're ready for the next night 3) leave Most likely, we would do (2). Does that answer your question?" Nuff said. Kalten
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| Kheld
Global user (2/10/00 8:10:50 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
The problem lies here Morlox: 2 weeks ago Da'kor and Ice clan claim that they reserved pof on this board, and forced others out of a plane. 1 week ago da'kor and Ice CLEARLY stated that it is first come first server. They would have none of this 'reserving' nonsense. *NOTE* - That is the first contradiction. Today da'kor and ice feel that they can reserve a plane if they camp there. Hell, you guys could camp there a whole year so does that mean you get the plane for a whole year? Fact is trilliums group abided by the first come first serve policy, and now you are saying they are at fault. *NOTE* - That is the second caontradiction Seems to me that there are no 'policies'. It is what suits you at the given time. If I recall (ill go double check and edit if im wrong) Gerome presented the same situation that happened tonight on this message board to Kzzern and Vendrix. Kzzern answered he will: a) Leave the zone b) Camp and come back at a later time c) Try to split the zone between the 2 parties. He then said he would most likely pick b. (BTW Kzzern I'm not directing this at you. You just said that you organized this raid so I figured your replies on scenarios would be the most accurate) I appluad Trillium for organizing his raid. I'm not even sure if he knew da`kor and ice had camped in fear, as Vendrix said in his post the other day he wasnt sure if anyone knew you were there. You guys said first come first serve. Well Trillium got it first, wether or not he knew you were there is besides the point. How does it feel to have spawns taken from you? Not to good does it. Maybe it will make you think twice.
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| Tessius
Global user (2/10/00 8:56:38 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
I hope this shows everyone who is reading this who morlox realy is and to those who doubted me all this time complaining about him you now see what I am talking about. "YOu make your bed you lie in it, you make your bed you die in it"--Country Love
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| Fyyre
IceClan Global user (2/10/00 9:05:51 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
I think its about respect and the lack of it. we dont own the plane..even if we did clear it the night before..but as Ice and Dakor respected those is sky for 2 weeks..we expected the same respect. In fact after voicing all this..we all left... Then I was asked to get back in..and tell Ice to get back in..and I did..and Trilluim (sp) and co. were gone by then. the fact that as we were discussing with them that we had cleared it, and did they notice no wanderers and nothing to the right or left close might not be normal....we had timed it and camped there to resume later..well they kept pulling... cant expect us to show anymore respect then given..we left. we did leave.(We even wished them luck, and they were there anoher hour, whatever made them leave I dont know) and then we came back.
Fyyrefester, EAD
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| Tarsala
Global user (2/10/00 9:11:50 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
i've been around a damn long time, and know a damn lot of ppl on this server and first things first - there are established respects that need to be paid. if you know ppl are camped in a plane and are working it and KNOW they will be loggin in, then dont start the plane and start a whole beef on it. its like one of the foundations of american law principles - YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE OUR RIGHTS BEGIN. you think you have a right to bumrush a plane when theres a splinter grp in there or its being worked on, no you dont - you have the right to back up and let ppl be and do their thing. its just called being courteous. i'm not ice clan or da`kor so i am not speaking for them, but i have a good number of friends in both guilds and you know what - just back the fuck up and do your own thing. dont sweat them. you dont like it, heres a tip that'll impress your friends if you pull it off - shut your face, dont bitch, be better and more organized, lets see it happen. *end of rant* you can hate me now* while i'm here thx to all my friends and ppls you know who you are, been having fun this week and sorry for the bad luck last night on log in(you know if you were there) kzz heh, you kill me man, harcore attitude. Loading, Please wait.....
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| Zanatos Unregistered User (2/10/00 9:22:37 pm) Reply |
War
Its War baby in its purest form. No Rules, No Regulations. Every group for themselves. Courtesy would be nice, but it looks like people are past that point. It's too difficult for everyone to define courtesy in this damn game anyway. Courtesy in this game is whatever people think helps their side of the argument most(to an extent). Take what you want people, just be ready to fight for what you want when the time comes for it, and don't expect to make any new buddies while your at it. However, if you want to play nice, just treat others how you would like to be treated in a situation. Yup.. its that damn "Golden Rule" popping its head up again. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...if you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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| Mahlerion
Global user (2/10/00 9:43:42 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
This is not about respect, it's about fairness. The fact that Da'Kor and Ice say they "respected" Trillium's group being in Sky during the week is meaningless. All they're saying here is that they didn't "throw their weight around" and move in on somebody already there during that time. The fact is , if you camp out, the zone is open for anyone who wants to go, period. You break the plane, fine, the plane is yours until you leave. Once you DO leave, you have no further claim. That is common sense, and it is right. Da'Ice, you guys can't have it both ways.
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| Kheld
Global user (2/10/00 9:59:44 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Just a few side notes: 1) In the plane of air. During the week that trillium was in air plane, he did not have everyone camp and calim the time of the spawn. Every single day only abut 6 people camped in the actual plane and 18 new people (not same 18 every day) were sent up and rebroke the spawns and re did the quests. 2) Yes, I agree it is disrespectful to take a plane away from someone after that person has notified everyone that they would like to try the plane. But, respect and common curtesy has to draw a line somewhere. Fear was scheduled from tuesday to early saturday morning...isnt that a bit ridiculous? The same group of people in fear for that long. Why not just say you reserve it, because that is basically what you tried to do. If Da`kor and Ice went to fear for one or two days max, and Trillium purposely got there before them, then Trillium would be at fault for disrespect. That isnt the case though. Yes, da`kor and ice did break the zone, but how long can a "break" be claimed? Not from tuesday to saturday, thats unreasonable imo. - Why am I even invloved with this topic when I wasnt there you may ask? I just feel I have to say something to defend those people that you so quickly jump to accuse of being "fucked up and disrespectful." Those of you who accuse, look at it from both points of view.
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| Dracon
Battlehammer Global user (2/10/00 10:17:31 pm) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Someone logs in and has enough people to try out pof. They check and find no one in the zone. They go in. Some mobs are missing so its their good luck on not having to do a 100% break in. I thought we were on a general first come first serve basis. That is what i've been reading the last few weeks. If i happen to do a plane raid one night, and the next, and on the third night i log in to find other people there, then i guess my good luck on having the zone all to myself for two straight nights is over. i then have a choice, i can either camp out and try again the next night or find something else to do. i've been spending alot of time in kedge, but i certainly dont expect to log in every night and get to camp whatever i like if other people happen to show up before me. currently we have very limited resources for high level playing. count your lucky stars for having pof all to yourself for two nights. i'm certain thats not going to happen as much anymore as more and more people decide to try their luck on midweek raids. i know after the last time we(lov) got kicked out of pof we had a talk with some other people to do a weekday thing but hadnt gotten to it yet. i'm sure we will fairly soon. when i dont know, but i hope soon since i've been up in fear 4 times now and i still dont have a wee little piece of valorium to show off for all my deaths and efforts. well off to sleep i go, i just wanted to hop on this board tonight since i was told by a guildmate who was invited by trill to join his little expedition and after 20 was kicked out. that sounded awfully unfair. Dracon 50th Paladin Lords of Valor
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| Kzzern
Global user (2/10/00 10:55:14 pm) Reply |
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In reply to kalten's point... You're exactly right. I stated that in the post, and I held by it. I asked Trillium and Ralik for a favor. I asked them that since they had been in the plane since early morning, and since our break-in last night IMO allowed them to be there, that they give us a turn. They refused, and that's a right they have, no matter how I feel about it. I gated out and told my team to gate or camp. Some of them started logging in after I had already left, so I can only imagine the arguing that ensued. I told Trillium to inform me when his team left, and later on he did so, at which point my team went back in. There was a lot of yelling and screaming on both sides (as there always is in situations like these), but I did my best to ignore them. I got a lot of really hateful and threatening tells from people that I used to consider friends. People that were not even there just assumed that I zoned in and threatened the occupants to leave or else... pretty sad... I guess times like these tell you who your true friends are. LoL I even had a friend from back in the first PoF days tell me... get this... "your days as kings of emarr are numbered"... how sad is that? Kudos to Trillium for really trying to make things work out... I may not agree with him, but he was at least being civil about it, which is a lot more than I can say for just about everyone else involved. :/ No matter what you all may think, I did my best to keep peace and make everyone happy, and I did my best not to let my personal feelings get in the way. The respect I got for that was exactly zero. *shrug* kzz
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Xavieran
 Global user (2/11/00 1:20:16 am) Reply  |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
The point here is no one tried fear during the week. We go in and break it up, take many deaths and lose levels in some cases. All of a sudden, people show up on a weekday? Give me a break, they saw the oppurtunity for a freebie and pounced. That's Elwyn-esque gay. Xavieran Ironcross |
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IceClan Global user (2/11/00 1:38:45 am) Reply |
to
Tessius
yea Morlox is a monster. hes offended people dont even TRY and respect others..even in a game..what a dick.
Fyyrefester, EAD
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| Klarr Unregistered User (2/11/00 2:21:08 am) Reply |
Question
I have a question... you say you brought up the idea of doing it during the weekday... actually, I remember people saying "why don't people do it on the weekday"... maybe they thought that a good idea? Maybe some people have done it during the week before? Did you check pof every weekday when you knew you weren't going to go? Did you just piss, moan, flame, and groan, and not ask a question? Communication does wonders, you know. You bring up another interesting issue... so long as a group of people can log on every so many hours, the plane is (according to these rules) theirs intirely. It (obviously) isn't nearly as hard to muster a force to kill the wanderers as they respawn as it would to re-break it.
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| trillium Unregistered User (2/11/00 5:05:20 am) Reply |
my 2
coppers
I would apreciate it if people would learn to talk in a civil manner. i am always willing to listen to the other sides oppinion, but when someone starts cussing my ear off in the very first sentance.. do you expect me to have an open mind? this incincedent has raised some serious issues about claims on spawns as well as as many other questions. Kzzern was one of the only people who would talk to me calmly and without cussing me out or using threats ( i appriate it kzzern ). after talking back and forth extensivly i decided to pull my troops out of fear. I would appreciate that nobody posts flaming remarks about this incedent BUT would use this space for some constructive comments on how to prevent this issue from happening again. also i would like to state that YES we were in PoS alot.. but very few people camped up there. new groups re-broke into it each time.. Why were we in sky so much? becouse nobody else was going. it was empty so we went. was that wrong of us? We need to decice on a policy that all the guilds can live with concerning plane camping. obviosly when your group is IN the plane and activly camping it.. other groups should respect that. *but what about camping planes in the off hours? if one guild does it at night and camps.. do they have rights to the spawn the next night. even if someone else takes the spawn in the morning? *does a break-in entitle a group unlimited camping untill they decide to leave? *if a guild wants to camp a plane on a given night... should his guildleader check in with the other guilds that are plane capable? WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT! and some constructive comments would be nice instead of bitching.
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| Vendrix Global user (2/11/00 5:07:56 am) Reply |
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Fear was scheduled from tuesday to early saturday morning...isnt that a bit ridiculous? The same group of people in fear for that long. Ummm Kheld, why is it "ridiculous"? You think for a split second that if we had not broke the spawn anyone would have gone in there. I can say with 100% certainty that the answer is no. Just like Xav said, they found out we were breaking POF during the week and took it as a chance for a freebie. That's like bitching because the new "My little Pony" movie is sold out at the theatre, gimme a break...like you would have gone anyway! The fact is , if you camp out, the zone is open for anyone who wants to go, period. You break the plane, fine, the plane is yours until you leave. Once you DO leave, you have no further claim. That is common sense, and it is right. Da'Ice, you guys can't have it both ways. I partially agree with your statement. I would agree if it were a weekend day/night where we could have expected another group to be on deck for the plane, but it wasnt. The group that was in there, all 10 of them, could not have broken the spawn and would not of normally been there had we not already cleared the toughest part of the zone for them. This is no slander to Trillium or his crew as I respect them more than they can possibly imagine at this point. The fact is, we had plans to be in there all week, why? Because its been open during the week for, well...since May. We figured by doing a plane during the week it would free it up for another group on the weekend, no competition from us. People took advantage of our efforts for a free breakin of the toughest zone in the game. That really hurt. /em has feelings too Vendrix |
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Holysword Global user (2/11/00 5:18:15 am) Reply |
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WOW..i read through so much of this, and so much of this is BS IMO that i am tempted to respond to just about everyone..so here i go: RESPONSE TARSALA you know ppl are camped in a plane and are working it and KNOW they will be loggin in, then dont start the plane and start a whole beef on it...you think you have a right to bumrush a plane when theres a splinter grp in there or its being worked on, no you dont - you have the right to back up and let ppl be and do their thing. its just called being courteous (/snip) WOOT..i've never heard you, tarsala, talk like this ..but i'm all up to discuss. What i hear happened is da`kor timed some repops. From what i hear, trillium group had been breaking wanderers for 3-4 hrs before da`kor was even in the zone, then da`kor comes in when the pops are about to pop (eep that's bad structure). Now, i don't know if it's just me, but when your camping something, you don't leave. Sure, you can log for 10hrs, but then you lose the zone. Using htis 'definition' a gulid could indefinately camp a plane. Clear 3 mobs, log till next day, kill another 3? I just don't get it. Da`kor did the hard stuff, another group came on a couple hours later to do some easier wanderers.. Is it unfair if the lord camp is clear and spaced that you move in? I just don't see it (and no i'm not comparing fear to lguk). RESPONSE TO KZZERN I asked Trillium and Ralik for a favor. I asked them that since they had been in the plane since early morning, and since our break-in last night IMO allowed them to be there, that they give us a turn. They refused, and that's a right they have, no matter how I feel about it. (/snip) Completely agree with this kzzern..when someone logs out they lose there right to a plane, i dont' see it any other way. *NOTE* im' not saying that is what i do, but i agree with kzzern that group that is there first, get it. >No matter what you all may think, I did my best to keep peace and make everyone happy, and I did my best not to let my personal feelings get in the way. The respect I got for that was exactly zero. *shrug* Yep ) i zoned into fear only to receive numerous snide and threatening remarks from several people....and i wasn't even in the zone for 10 seconds =) *sigh* RESPONSE TO XAVIERAN The point here is no one tried fear during the week. We go in and break it up, take many deaths and lose levels in some cases. All of a sudden, people show up on a weekday? Give me a break, they saw the oppurtunity for a freebie and pounced. That's Elwyn-esque gay. (/snip) Just like to point out to you that for most people, thursday night isn't a weekday, it's more like 'the last day of the week'. Most university/college students (lots of eq players) don't have school on friday (i.e// me), and thursday is an entirely viable day for them. And perhaps the non-da`kor group did 'bounce' on the opportunity...but that's a right they have...you zone into fear, you see 10mobs missing, you don't think 'oh shit, someone most of don this last night', you think ' wow, we might have an easier time....i'm glad that group was here yesterday'. Those are my thoughs on the events....let it be known that i left , and wished the zone GL, and sent several private tells to da`kor and other (friends on several instances) good luck with fear.
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| Ablazen
Holysword Global user (2/11/00 5:18:31 am) Reply |
Re: WOOO -
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| Ablazen
Holysword Global user (2/11/00 5:26:20 am) Reply |
Re: WOOO -
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replies to vendrix (*sigh*): >Ummm Kheld, why is it "ridiculous"? You think for a split second that if we had not broke the spawn anyone would have gone in there. I can say with 100% certainty that the answer is no. Just like Xav said, they found out we were breaking POF during the week and took it as a chance for a freebie Like i posted earlier..i don't necessarily think a 'thursday night' is to be considered a working day night... and, honestly, you can never be 100% certain that someone else wouldn't try to break the plane on a 'weekday' night... >I partially agree with your statement. I would agree if it were a weekend day/night where we could have expected another group to be on deck for the plane, but it wasnt. The group that was in there, all 10 of them, could not have broken the spawn and would not of normally been there had we not already cleared the toughest part of the zone for them. ready above, and then read that there were i believe 25-30 people with Trillium's group initially, then some had to leave, and more were coming. During this time, I came, and at this point da`kor seemed to be logging in as well. >This is no slander to Trillium or his crew as I respect them more than they can possibly imagine at this point *shrug* ok >The fact is, we had plans to be in there all week, why? Because its been open during the week for, well...since May. We figured by doing a plane during the week it would free it up for another group on the weekend, no competition from us. People took advantage of our efforts for a free breakin of the toughest zone in the game. That really hurt. If you actually worded it this way, and all of da`kor, then i bet many of us would have different opinions. All we got was foul language, and other rude gestures. Words go a long way. Saying "People took advantage of our efforts for a free breakin of the toughest zone in the game. That really hurt" sounds much better then 'FUCK OFF we broke the plane last night' (which is what most people got). *NOTE* this is the first time i've sworn on this board...and just cause i was kidna pissed of at this situation.
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| Mahlerion
Global user (2/11/00 5:50:39 am) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
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| tetsuoshima
Global user (2/11/00 5:54:44 am) Reply |
Re: an
idea
Lads and lasses, This is just an idea..agree or not..it's just an idea. One of the things i've noticed reading these boards is that flames breed more flames..insult begets insult and nothing is ever really acomplished other than a deeper resentment towards each other.. Having said that..i suggest that each guild elect a calm and rational person/leader to speak for there respective guilds..or at least on the planes and dragons issues..they can work out the problems in a more rational manner and quicken a resolution. Let these leaders/speakers talk to thier own guilds about the problems they are having with any situation..let everyone vent and rant within thier guilds..once the anger and cussing is done, and the desire to seek a solution is at hand..let these delegates post here and come to some sort of agreement. As a side note, everyone moans and groans about the problems that fear/hate present us..the older more organized guilds should set the example of maturity for the ever growing number of 50's and the guilds they are in...stop and think about it a sec..if these players are reading these boards and see us squabble like school kids..what do you think they will be like when they hit the planes..i hear talk of respect..little of us show each other it as it is..do you think they will have any for us? The clock is ticking away..lets start acting like the adults. Tet.
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| Sanaman
Soulpiercer Global user (2/11/00 6:53:43 am) Reply |
wtf is wrong
with people
Agreed At Last ! E Marr is a server that I dedcided to become part of back in MAY 99. I selected E Marr because at the time in the UK it appeared to the lowest numbers on at the time. I remember Having to find a tailor to make leather and a blacksmith to make Banded. Where is the demand now? Its moved. No longer do people see leather as an option due to the flooding of Bronze and the likes. It seems that E Marr is now moving into an area where it hasn't been before. More twinks than before, due to the fustration of the people who originally made the primary character not being able to get any further due to zone competion, lack of room or whatever. It has taken me a while to get to the stage I am at now. Only 33 as a Rogue on E Marr, its been a pleasure and a pain. The pleasure is when back in May I discovered the World of Norrath and the people in it i could play alongside. The pain is seeing what this server is becoming, having all this bitterness amongst each other, having to 'book' a zone ! It strikes me that 3 things are at fault here. Mainly OVERCROWDING this is making people fight amongst each other for spawns/zones and gear. Also TWINKING, this because people who choose there main character do so, with the intention of 'being' the character,taking the role. Another problem is 'where do you go from 50' more and more people are obviously getting to 50, I started in May and according to VERANT am due to reach 50 in May this year, where do i go apart from, joining the masses and fighting over zones and decorum? Now I am only lv 33 and I play a E Marr Rogue as i have stated, but I am wondering if getting to 50 is just going to be a pain. I am trying now to make sure that the people I interact with remember me. I like people. I like EQ, it has its problems God knows, I AM ROGUE (Nutter) !!! I must love the pain 8). And I like E Marr. I read other Forum Boards and see the problems as they have been forming over time on the 'Older' servers. It appears E Marr is starting to get the same results. All I can say is when the time comes for me to reach the Plains, things will be different, due to the steps between the POWER levels/guilds on our server. I can only hope that once I get there, I don't have to go thru the petty stuff thats happening now. It seems that a lot of people are getting to the stage where 'fisty cuffs' are the only solution. Remember the book at Level 1 where you could decide so switch PvP are remain non PK, we maybe a re-intorduction of that beyond a cetain level could be good. Kinda 'money where your mouth is' thing. Or even once past a certain level say 45, if you are going to stand-up and 'spout' maybe you should be prepared for a contest? And made complusory if you want to be taken seriously. Just an idea to spice things for what seems to be you Bored 45-50's who are resorting to 'playground mentallity'. Fight for what you see as Right I am 33 Rogue, and Rogue by choice. I can do without this to look forward to 8) Come on Guys. Stand up and BE the character, you selected way back. 'Sanaman Soulpiercer' Level 33 Rogue 'Avengers Federation' Although this has no bearing on my Guild E Marr DOB May 99 (As soon as it hit the shelfs) English Player GMT (Evenings and Weekends)
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| Gerome Local user (2/11/00 7:18:06 am) Reply  |
Hear ye, hear
ye
Wow. One day after I post asking about Da`Kor reaction to people moving in on Fear while they were logged out, it happens. I must have ESP. I’ll try to sum up what I'm reading/observing, in English, so people don’t have to wade through the Chukzombi/Tessius style drivel posts. The response I got from Kzzern about this exact situation was "We'll camp and wait till tomorrow.". Logical, level-headed. I respect that. Sure, it's nice to be able to avoid the gate-in routine but it requires a lack of interest in the zone by everyone else on the server. Unfortunately, the server is maturing, and as I tried to point out, there are more guilds/squads interested in getting the so-called ultimate gear for their chars. It’s just a fact of life in this game we call EverCamp. But rather than adhere to the established common sentiment of “first-come, first-serve”, there's a whole lotta bitchin going on. Vendrix feels that if they break it on a Monday, then they should by all rights 'own' it till Friday, because no one has done it in the past on weekdays. The glaring hole in this argument is that there are interested squads on weekdays now. In my opinion, the entire zone of Fear, etc. should be handled the same way as any other static spawn. If you have a squad ready to go do Fear, and there is a squad either already there or ready to break in, then they have a claim on it. However, if there is no one there and no one ready to break-in, it's yours. If the two squads want to talk and work out a collaboration, fine... If not, then the later squad should leave or be justifiably dealt with just like any other kill-stealers. Yea, I realize that I'm comparing an entire zone to a static spawn, but the zone really is optimally handled by one cooperative squad rather than multiple competing squads. That said, here's my commentary on last night, if anyone cares: 1) Vendrix, it was naive of you to think that posting your guild’s and the zone's exact schedule would not prompt another squad to try and take advantage of that information. I believe that you had the best intentions in mind, but with folks getting competitive and with the general lack of respect for each other by all players, it won’t work. Information is power, and if you want to maintain an edge, keep your information to yourself. 2) Someone had information on the zone, decided to take advantage of it, and took over the zone. It’s like a hot stock tip – you know it’s a sure winner, so why not use that information? I don’t blame Trillium’s squad for going, and I respect their claim on the zone provided no one was online and set up there already. Da`Kor/Ice Clan should have either worked out a collaboration, and that falling through, left/camped. Judgement for the Bailiff. -Judge Gerome Sheindlin
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| Vendrix Global user (2/11/00 8:12:56 am) Reply |
Re: Hear ye,
hear ye
1) Vendrix, it was naive of you to think that posting your guild’s and the zone's exact schedule would not prompt another squad to try and take advantage of that information. I believe that you had the best intentions in mind, but with folks getting competitive and with the general lack of respect for each other by all players, it won’t work. Information is power, and if you want to maintain an edge, keep your information to yourself. Yea, no shit. I fucking post to let people know the plane will be free and clear on Saturday and they use that to fuck me. There will be no more informative posts from me, no more tips on how to do this or that. If you post that you are having problems with "such and such in the planes", Im just gonna sit back and laugh now. Lessens the chance that you'll be in my way, sorry. Vendrix |
| Chukzombi Astrocreep Unregistered User (2/11/00 8:56:43 am) Reply |
race to lv
50
i had been in a race to lv 50 with a very good DE friend of mine that blue warrior is so damned fast a leveler so we went from aviaks to pickclaws in 2 weeks kicking super ass. each day one of us would be a level ahead. i would take advantage of my days off to sneak into the raider room and get in a group while she wasnt logged on and i would get in a group. exp was great but i eventually left for dinner and when i got back guess what? the room was taken and there was a 3 hour waiting list. end of great experiance. now there is absolutely no difference between my story and Da kors except Amygdon warrior hits for maybe 5pts more than a pickclaw guard =) its sad to see your sweet spot go. and when you have the damn spawns broken up its annoying for all that work to go poof . but if it happens in a silly lv 30+ basement in highkeep why cant it happen anywhere . those guys took advantage of your hard work thats not illegal (unless EQ decides to nerf that in their next nerf patch) its simply time to move on guys and belive me i totally totally understand what the differnece in a plane raid and a reg zone is but in camping the laws are sadly the same. you are there its yours if you are not there its not yours. hell according to eq laws if you are there another group can come in and try to steal your camp if they get experiance for it. now tell me what a ballsup that would be. i hope we havent gotten to that point yet Chukzombi Astrocreep
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| Vendrix Global user (2/11/00 9:19:35 am) Reply |
Re: race to
lv 50
hell according to eq laws if you are there another group can come in and try to steal your camp if they get experiance for it. Try it and see what happens >:] Vendrix |
| kalten Unregistered User (2/11/00 9:38:57 am) Reply |
week
breaks
Vendrix and other da kor members you keep saying nobody will ever do week breaks ect. Was it not THIS week before you broke into fear gilgamel stated we should do a week break? That there should make you think befor you say nobody has ever done a week breakin. Then it was stated by Gilgamel (i think) that he would like to go in on friday. The answer was no, Da'Kor is camping the plane the whole week.(before da`kor mentioned their week long parade of fear) So is this not reserving? We are not in the zone yet we lay claim to the zone.. I guess its not reserving when you guys do it. Vendrix you said if 18 people arent ready to go into the zone then you dont have a claim to the zone.Yeah you guys are so nice to let others come in after 5 days. Thank you so very much. I mean nobody would have even tried if it werent for you clearing the zone. Also in skyplane the many different people broke in every day and only a few camped not to lay claim but because its more convenient. In no way were we laying claim to skyplane. Quit with the nobody would have broken into plane nonsense. Like Ablazen stated, many college students have no school on friday and thursday is fair game. Did people barge in on you on wednesday. No. Was it mentioned before you decided to do your week break that people might try a week break. Yes. Kzzern I am sorry for the earlier post because I held you responsible due to you being the leader. That was wrong of me and I apologize. I think something can be learned from this. Thursday is fair game. Also, dont camp out in a zone and lay claim to it for a week. Kalten
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| Breez
Lightfeather Global user (2/11/00 9:58:40 am) Reply |
Feel
free
Kzzern, if you're going to quote me, do me the service of putting a name with the quote. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade - never have been. I'm also not afraid of Da`Kor or their yesmen. It was I who said that 'your' (meaning da`ice and co) days as the kings of emarr are numbered. There are a lot of high level players now, and your shit you pull is only going to fly for so long before people band together against you. It's already happening. What is truely unfortunate is that I used to like / respect many members of their crew. Alas, the good old days have passed, and the true greed is showing through, glistening like a steaming pile of shit on a hot summer day. You show up, see a crew is in the zone, and start to HARASS THEM UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO LEAVE. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I don't go and see someone camping something and then sit there and be nasty until they bow down and leave. Take it like men. You weren't there first. Grow up, move out, and don't call the people who were there first 'gimps' because they are there. (quote from Kzzern, I *do* put names with my quotes) I would like to publicly mourn friendships lost because of the guild Da`Kor. Zhenya - you used to be my bud, it's too bad you fell in with that crowd. Kzzern - I thought better of you, really I did. I hope you work out your differences with the greedy loot whore. Aurore - never knew you well enough - you were always a nice sort. Maybe you will see what your guild has become before you become it too. Maybe it's too late. Lexi and Harlak, may your time to you on your current server be rewarding - after my vacation I just couldn't catch up =( I'm sure there are more friends I've lost; the list gets so long my bat-addled brain can't remember. BreezyNites RogueOfErollisiMarr
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| Jirith Global user (2/11/00 10:02:41 am) Reply  |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
itchy hole! ow ow ow hello vendrixperson how is day -jirith
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Sgyde
 Global user (2/11/00 10:27:30 am) Reply  |
Re: an
idea
Ok, I may be opening a can of whup ass on myself for mentioning this, but ....... (preface to everything: I have not been to the planes yet, and all my info comes second-hand from reading this and other boards. If you think I'm twacked in the head so be it, but I think I have a point that is valid.) What happens when POF/POH are broken for good? What I mean, is at some point, maybe even before I'm ready(leveled enough) to go to the planes, the planes will be cracked open for good. The wanderer population will be maintained, and the static spawns will be harvested on a regular basis. WE, and that means everyone who wants to go to the planes, need to work something out. If one group does the "break", the final break that is, they should have some degree of exclusivity, maybe the next 24 or 48 hours. BUT, like airplanes coming in for a landing/takeoff at an airport, there needs to be rotation, and that rotation is very important to maintaining the brokenness of the plane. Using POF as an example: The plane has been broken, that first group has killed all the wanderers(or reduced them to a manageable level, whatever), and is working on the static spawns. They kill everything up to and including CT and the draco. Ok, they're done. The way it is being done now, this group zones out, etc... The new way would be for them to contact Group X, and let them know, that it's time to come take over the maintenance of the plane. This group maintains the plane until they've killed the static spawns, and then contacts Group Y that it's their job to maintain the plane, etc..... Now, as far as I know, CT and the draco re-pop on a different schedule(5? or 7? days.) My suggestion here is to have whatever group is up in fear at the time, clear everything up to CT, or the draco, and then inform whatever group is next in line for them to come on in. Now I bet soem of you are saying: WTF??? clear everything up to, but not kill them, you've got to be out of your mind!!!! Nope, I don't think I am, I look at it from the perspective of when it's my turn, it's my turn, and if we're fair I will get my turn. Will there be chaos at first? Probably Will some groups screw up, and not be able to hold the plane? Probably, and in that event, it will need to be broken again, and the group that does the break will get some exclusivity, to make up for xp loss, etc.. Have I covered everything? Nope, I can't because I've never been there, and don't know first hand what to expect, but that doesn't mean that my idea is without merit (IMHO.) Handling patch day? I have a question: I know hate pops gradually, i.e. the wanderers show up after XX minutes, and the statics sometime later, but how does it work in fear? Is fear completely empty, then all of a sudden fully popped? If so, the group that maintains the plane on patch day, would get their exclusivity time. Sadly, I haven't come up with any ideas on how to work out how to do dragons yet, it still seems at though true first come-first-serve is the only way to do it. Although, for naggy, the FG's repop on a 6 hour cycle, maybe they could be maintained too???? I don't have all the answers, and some of you may think I'm insane, but something needs to be done, and I couldn't resist putting in my 2 coppers. The bottom line is that we all need to share and have respect for each other. Sure it'll suck the first time you clear the zone, and watch as someone else comes along and pops CT, but just imagine how you'll feel when the way is cleared for you?? I bet you'll really appreciate the other group for doing that for you, probably just as much as they appreciated it when you did it for them. Sgyde Starstrike 39 gnome wizzie, EMarr |
| Gerome Local user (2/11/00 10:38:47 am) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Jesus. This is the first case of roleplaying I've ever seen... Yes, let's all band up against the EVIL DA`KOR/ICE CLAN EMPIRE and cast MING THE MERCILESS into the pits of hell. I guess since I've never personally witnessed any Da`Kor/Ice Clan acts of throwing weight around online, and since I don't believe everything I read here, I'm kinda curious what the motivation for screwing with them to this extent is. Is it:
It's a real simple rule for everyone to live by: If you organize something and accidently meet up in some zone, figure out who was there first; and whoever wasn't there first, get packing. This applies to planes, dragons, spawns, etc. Is this not making sense? If they were muscling people all over the place, claiming that they are "reserving" everything just cause they are MIGHTY GUILD #1, kill-stealing, etc. then I could see this hostility as justified. Maybe I'm missing something because I tend to stick with my friends and not get too involved in server-wide politics. If I'm not, then everyone whining here all the time needs to get a grip.
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| Memn Unregistered User (2/11/00 10:39:45 am) Reply |
heh
People keep trying to state reasons why they feel it was right to do what they did. While you might find loopholes to justify your actions you cannot tell me for a second that if we had done the same to you it wouldn't have been a big deal. Its simple really, apply the golden rule to your Everquest gaming experience and this shit will never arise. If someone informs us that they want to kill Voxx while we are organizing for Nagafen we always back off. Would you do the same? Probably not especially after this little incident. How would you feel if after breaking in on Friday night Ice/Da'Kor got up really early (assuming you broke for a few hours sleep) and took your zone?
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| Guildon
Global user (2/11/00 10:42:32 am) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
I give up. Either side has a valid gripe after a night's rest. However, I think I am more disappointed than anything else. Everybody states that there are so many 46+ players on the server that they need to go somewhere. As I recall since the patching of fear making it extremely difficult. There have been very few complete breaks of the fear plane. When I say complete, I mean full spawns and having to zone people in one by one and then camping them out. When people use the argument, "well nobody was there so we should be able to come in and take" are they actually realizing what they are doing? Recognize that in order to break the plane you must spend 2-3 hours zoning people in and then 2-3 hours killing off the first 20 or so wanderers so you can move to safety and set up. That is 4-6 hours just to make the zone safe. However if you fail then you spend much more time there with the possibility of losing your corpse. Yes, you are within your right to come in whenever you want. However, doesn't it make you feel bad to take advantage of the 4-6 hours and multiple deaths of other people just so you can walk in and kill mobs wqhich spawn every 14 hours and sometimes drop nice armor. You are welcome to do so, but do feel the slighest bit strange doing this. Everyone accuses Da`kor of being loot hungry and greedy, yet why would you come in and after realizing the zone was 30-40% empty just decide to continue killing? Isn't there some great feeling about finishing a break? Sure we all pay 9.95$ so we are all entitled to play the game how we want, but why is so difficult for everyone to act in a logical manner. I will say that i apologize for yelling negative comments for i ws steamed from work and my mood effected my behavior. Where do we go from here? Well I don't know. The game can only go on for so long with its one dimensionality. The fact that the game allows for so many people to reach 50 with nothing to do demonstrates that the game's viability is very tenous at best. Who knows how long people will continue playing, I guess I'll just play until I get so sick of the griping and yelling that I have to leave. Guildon Goldenheart 48 Season Erollsi Marr |
Rian  Global user (2/11/00 10:52:26 am) Reply  |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Gerome said: 1) Vendrix, it was naive of you to think that posting your guild’s and the zone's exact schedule would not prompt another squad to try and take advantage of that information. I believe that you had the best intentions in mind, but with folks getting competitive and with the general lack of respect for each other by all players, it won’t work. Information is power, and if you want to maintain an edge, keep your information to yourself. Vendrix said: Yea, no shit. I fucking post to let people know the plane will be free and clear on Saturday and they use that to fuck me. There will be no more informative posts from me, no more tips on how to do this or that. If you post that you are having problems with "such and such in the planes", Im just gonna sit back and laugh now. Lessens the chance that you'll be in my way, sorry. Guys, I seriously doubt that Trillium meant any disrepect or had any malicious intentions toward Vendrix or Da'kor. Why do you assume that the people there were out to "take advantage" of you? ummm.. News flash... Weekday raids on PoF are an OBVIOUS idea. The fact that no one has done it up until this week is meaningless. The server is aging. There has never been 270 players in LowerGuk until this week either (yes, I am exaggerating to make a point). Contrary to what you might think, there are alot of us who are not doing a '/who all vendrix' every five minutes. There are alot of us who don't make it a priority to know what Da'kor has planned for the week. I guess I should though, otherwise I won't get the "planar" experience without making enemies. This baby stuff is stupid. Kudos to Trillium and Kzz for at least attempting to keep cool heads. Trill's group had every right to be there. From what I understand, they had been there many hours, and had taken the 'requisite' deaths to stake a claim. (And Ven, we all have stressful jobs). It was not fair to you, but you did the right thing by pulling out, Trill. Probably salvaged some friendships in the process. Rian Luckless |
Synjyn
DragonFist  Global user (2/11/00 11:17:33 am) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
Vendrix, I just want to play devils advocat here for the sake of argument so... *smiles* You say Try it and see what happens >:] in reguards to someone try'n to take a camp from someone else who is already there. Well it is common curtesy to NOT try to take a camp from someone reguardless of what the EQ Gods say is fair game, but just exactly what does Try it and see what happens >:] mean? I'm just curious to see what can happen to someone that did try it... Lets just say for ease of argue'n that you are camp'n the Lord in LG and I come in with a group to take it from you. Would you train my group? As crowded as things are in LG now find'n a train that could actually kill a group I bring is gonna be a hard thing to do. We would either kill what you brought. Gate out if need be and come back. I could train most or everything away from my group. And I personally can just Feign so what are you gonna do to me?. Would you exclude me from Planes & Dragon raids? I've never been invited by anyone in Da'Ice anyway so big deal. Would you tell eveyone via /Shouts, /OOC, /Tell & Message Board to not group Me? I have never had a problem with get'n a group and I seriously doubt that if you could cause me to never get a group again.... especially when I have my own guild to group with. Would you follow me around with a large group where ever I went and steal all my kills? Well if you wanted to waste all your time be'n childish thats fine with me. I can always go Anon and get a gate somewhere else to hunt or just go play another character. Oh also do'n such repeatedly is grounds for harassment so that would just work to my benefit. Would you come to my house and beat me up? This is a just plane stupid question, but I asked it anyway *smiles*. Even if you knew where I lived I'm not to worried. Again I just want to play devils advocate here. This is not ment as a flame, bash, slander, etc... I'm just a curious individual and wonder what you could do to me? I would never personally try such for the fact it's very uncool, rude and goes against everything I believe in (i.e. share'n and help'n others). Synjyn DragonFist (Lords of Valor) 48th Circle Monk Erollisi Marr
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| tiuen
Global user (2/11/00 11:37:37 am) Reply |
Re: wtf is
wrong with people
/em Shakes his head This is just sad people. I'm just glad that i'm not high enough to start being a jackass and throw my weight around. Just because you are 46+ and you work in hard to get areas wich take a lot of planning and teamwork to break into doesn't take away the fact that everybody (READ EVERYBODY) has a right to be there. Even if you happen to dissaprove of the fact that they are doesn't mean that they aren't allowed to be there. Then if for instance someone is in PoF (never been there myself and from the looks of it i'll never get the chance) and another guild enters ...why isn't it possible to be 2 parties there at they same time....one thing springs to mind..greed...yes greed. This is the only thing people will start to fight over regardless of level...this is mine *nag* *nag* leave it the F***K alone and so on. The purpose to have fun is totally gone and i thank you all who try to have fun instead of making Emarr such a hostile environmet to be in. I myself didn't start playing just so i could tell other people what to do and try to own things..i just want to have fun..but i guess that doesn't apply to all. Once again it's just depressing to see that a few guilds on Emarr tries to impose there rules on the rest of the population...well good luck if you don't think that will piss a bunch of people of. Then of course the natural reply is "hehehe we're higher level than you are so what are you going to do about it newbie"..and my reply is "nothing" and then walk away, cause i don't like being around people that try to act like they know better than you or automatically think that it's a given right as a higher level group or guild to disrespect other smaller or low level guilds. People will treat you the same way you treat them and people will remember wrong doings. I try to get along with most people and my goal is to walk me and my guilds way and sadly enough Emarr is not as fun (not nearly) as it used to be. Take care and flame on people..you seem to need it for some reason ! /Tiuen Woodwalker 35 Druid of Dragonbane Knights
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| Ralik Unregistered User (2/11/00 11:49:52 am) Reply |
Ok...
From Kzzern's post: "I asked Trillium and Ralik for a favor. I asked them that since they had been in the plane since early morning, and since our break-in last night IMO allowed them to be there, that they give us a turn. They refused, and that's a right they have, no matter how I feel about it." I guess you don't remember our conversation in tells... Ralik: "If you honestly feel that I am way out of line being here, I'll pack up my bags and leave." You told me that I *wasn't* out of line, but others in the zone (IE Morlox, Fyyre) were quite vocal about their opinions, so I got the fuck out. Everyone knows I'm a fair person. Even if I am pissed as hell. -Ralik PS. Thanks for the great experience my last day on EQ... That wuz h3ll4 c00l.
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| Kzzern
Global user (2/11/00 1:25:31 pm) Reply |
Re:
Ok...
Breez: I didn't want to quote you because I didn't want to become part of the flame war. I think it's pretty sad that you can say things like what you posted about me, without knowing any of the facts about what happened last night, or without even giving me a benefit of the doubt. But like I told you when you first started assaulting me in tells, i am completely certain that you don't want to know the truth, and you don't want to be a friend, you just want to argue with me and accuse me of being your worst enemy. I've tried to be your friend since we first met in PoF, but you've made it really hard, and now impossible. The world is not an anti-breez conspiracy. Grow up. I'm not going to entertain any more of your flames with responses. Ralik: I do remember our conversation. I stated that you being in PoF was not out of line. It was free, it was broken, why not? BUT, out of respect, I do believe that you staying in PoF for the whole day, and then refusing us a turn in the evening was out of line, since we had broken the plane. That was my opinion. Again, you had the right to make whatever decision you wanted to, and I respected that. Morlox and Fyyre were very vocal, but so were many on your team. The /ooc and /shout flames were by no means monopolized. I'm sorry, I tried hard to say something and stop people from screaming, yelling, cussing, and what not. But I have no such power. kzz
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| Biggdadi
Global user (2/11/00 3:21:08 pm) Reply |
ok..step back
and take a deep breath..please
WOW and i thought it was just a game when i picked it off the shelf. hmmm Jerry Springer has challenged you to a duel!! btw LOL Jirith's picture LOL
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| anon Unregistered User (2/11/00 4:00:38 pm) Reply |
THIS IS A
GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOES ANYONE KNOW THIS?!?! you silly bastards whining and bitching is for kids
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| Repentance Unregistered User (2/11/00 4:34:51 pm) Reply |
Re:
Ok...
/em hugs Kzzern IMAO this whole thread seems be based on respecting people and from what I've read Kzzern *seems* to be the only one that deserves any (prolly others but I wasn't there so I dunno). I'm sorry but respect is something that is earned and if everyone persists in these flame wars then f**k respect its never gonna happen if knowone takes the first step. The server HAS changed and people have to adjust instead of wasteing your time with these pointless treads try being polite and work something out (and I know the *lets all be friends* idea will never work BUT at least trying to work things out is a start) Repentance 50th cleric of Innoruuk Deaths Embrace p.s. damm i'm getting soft but fuck it everyone else is ranting and i like being different :P
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| Ablazen
Holysword Global user (2/11/00 4:46:33 pm) Reply |
Re:
Ok...
erm ) i hope i havn't done something to lose the respect of others...
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| Ralik Unregistered User (2/12/00 1:35:22 am) Reply |
Yah =
P
Well here's what happened... First Repentence typed: "...Kzzern and Ablazen(who is so widely respected by everyone that he needn't even be mentioned in this post)*seem* to..." But it was so obvious, Repentence decided to omit it. -Ralik (Meet me on the 3rd island behind the temple ;)
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| Mahtan
Honorshield Local user (2/12/00 2:28:46 am) Reply  |
Re: Yah =
P
Ok, as a member of Trilliums raid from the start, but gone when the big ooc/shout-party started...when we started our raid, the wanderers had started popping, but were not fully in force yet. I knew that Da`Kor (and Ice Clan?) were coming back, I talked to one of them in Freeport, IIRC. However, since I planned on leaving around that time anyhow, due to me being a European and thus would be in need of some sleep around that time, I didn't really care if our raid staid or not, I left that to Trillium. Anyhow...that's my background story on this. My take on this situation on this is that in the near future, Fear will be permabroken until they make it harder...so, every raid in there, except the first after a patch or crash, will be made easier by the one before it, and will also make the one following easier...This would mean that it'd be hard to stake any claim on the grounds that you were there the previous day, apart from possibly the original breakin guys (which might be Da`Kor and Ice Clan more than others, possible, since they seem like a well oiled machine...at least for some time). I can't really say that I think that that claim could go any further than possibly one day, though. -- |
| Chukzombi Astrocreep Unregistered User (2/12/00 2:31:40 am) Reply |
hmm
will POF ever be open to the public? since we are newbies that dont know jack squat we would like to have the same chance to find out how to camp it. this way we dont have to /t people that dont respond anyway. Chuk *wears his asbestos jock-strap* hi rep sweety ) i for one can comprehend your post. i suspect others can too. im not that smart.
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| tetsuoshima
Global user (2/12/00 6:17:20 am) Reply |
Re:
pathetic...and a complete waste of effort
ughhh...this is such a waste of time. Tet.
Edited by tetsuoshima
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| Nallae
Global user (2/12/00 9:39:49 am) Reply |
Hmmm
Boy I wonder what's going to happen on the PVP servers when this stuff happens. Should be fun to watch *grin* Nallae Shadowslayer 47th lvl Cleric of Innoruuk Death's Embrace
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| HakNukum
Global user (2/13/00 3:11:24 pm) Reply |
Wow!
Wow, I'm busting my ass to hit 50 for all this turmoul! Woo hoo! Can't wait to get in there and mix it up ;) Sol B is getting damned boring... -- HakNukum 45 Dwarf Paladin
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